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Couldn't this mean a number of things? 1. The device isn't fully sealed. 2. Isn't there always going to be air unless you cover each area of the device and seal

Couldn't this mean a number of things? 1. The device isn't fully sealed. 2. Isn't there always going to be air unless you cover each area of the device and seal it off?

nknight 15y ago
I think you missed the point by a couple light years. Air escaping means there's room in the case for air to be in the first place. Air molecules aren't magic, and can't occupy the same space as other objects.
- sampsonjs 15y ago
  So what would happen if I dropped an Iphone 5 in water?
  - freedompeace 15y ago
    No air bubbles -- it doesn't exist.
  - melling 15y ago
    Air bubbles would escape and you would have to make it smaller. That was a really stupid question. Yes, sometimes I wish I could be Steve and herd the Geek community. I could make a shippable Linux that consumers would pay for. Gnome, KDE, Unity... Hey, let's call it LibreOffice... get it? Geeks should try to think like normal humans... All that effort could actually change the world.
    - melling 15y ago
      The point was that Steve wanted it smaller so he made a dramatic gesture to demonstrate to the engineers that he would not accept no for an answer. Steve understood what is important in a product, and more importantly, what is not. The Linux community, for example, has spent many years divided, building several window managers and hundreds of distros, never focusing on what is really important to consumers, in general. The iPad already has more Internet market share than desktop Linux in a very short period of time. Was that better guys? Personally I like my first response better. Definitely had more flavor, but hey, this is HN and one needs to tread lightly.
  - mikeash 15y ago
    The point is not that you must create a product which contains no air. The point is that, as long as it does contain air, it can be made smaller. It may be difficult, it may be impractical, but it can be done. Talking about how there's always going to be some air is completely missing the point. The point is that you can always push things a little further.

Couldn't this mean a number of things? 1. The device isn't fully sealed. 2. Isn't there always going to be air unless you cover each area of the device and seal it off?

nknight 15y ago

I think you missed the point by a couple light years. Air escaping means there's room in the case for air to be in the first place. Air molecules aren't magic, and can't occupy the same space as other objects.

sampsonjs 15y ago
So what would happen if I dropped an Iphone 5 in water?
- freedompeace 15y ago
  No air bubbles -- it doesn't exist.
- melling 15y ago
  Air bubbles would escape and you would have to make it smaller. That was a really stupid question. Yes, sometimes I wish I could be Steve and herd the Geek community. I could make a shippable Linux that consumers would pay for. Gnome, KDE, Unity... Hey, let's call it LibreOffice... get it? Geeks should try to think like normal humans... All that effort could actually change the world.
  - melling 15y ago
    The point was that Steve wanted it smaller so he made a dramatic gesture to demonstrate to the engineers that he would not accept no for an answer. Steve understood what is important in a product, and more importantly, what is not. The Linux community, for example, has spent many years divided, building several window managers and hundreds of distros, never focusing on what is really important to consumers, in general. The iPad already has more Internet market share than desktop Linux in a very short period of time. Was that better guys? Personally I like my first response better. Definitely had more flavor, but hey, this is HN and one needs to tread lightly.
- mikeash 15y ago
  The point is not that you must create a product which contains no air. The point is that, as long as it does contain air, it can be made smaller. It may be difficult, it may be impractical, but it can be done. Talking about how there's always going to be some air is completely missing the point. The point is that you can always push things a little further.