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Obligatory mention whenever anyone dicusses Sun's true motives for creating Java [1,2]. Sun's motives were anything but tidy. On Patrick Naughton's account, Sun
by chalst 5y ago
Obligatory mention whenever anyone dicusses Sun's true motives for creating Java [1,2]. Sun's motives were anything but tidy. On Patrick Naughton's account, Sun's executive decision-making seems quite haphazard and opportunistic. Draw your own conclusions about the vagaries of individual perspectives or how typical this is of executive decision-making in general.
A line that might become amusing when you read the whole account:
> Thus began a long line of sporadic interjections by Bill [Joy| where he was right. He usually is.
[1]: http://www.blinkenlights.com/classiccmp/javaorigin.html http://www.blinkenlights.com/classiccmp/javaorigin.html
[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30613578 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30613578
- pjmlp 5y agoSun created Java to go against Microsoft, that isn't the discussion on the table, rather Kotlin and it being a guest language on the JVM, with a community that usually bashes the platform that made Kotlin possible to start with
- fivea 5y agoIt sounds like you are trying to find differences where there are none. It also looks like you're forgetting that Java has been for years (decades) owned by Oracle, which is renowned for taking very public legal fights to milk Java to the extreme. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_LLC_v._Oracle_America,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_LLC_v._Oracle_America,_....
- pjmlp 5y agoNah, that is Kotlin fanbase trying to move goalposts. Java has been owned by Sun, and then Oracle, and it was more closed source during Sun's stewardship than Oracle's. The first lawsuit was done by Sun against Microsoft, and they only missed the one against Google, because they were out of money by them. Unfortunately Google got away with screwing up Sun, not happy with that, they keep using they flavoured Android Java when selling Kotlin's push into the ecosystem. Still in all these years, Java was never used to sell Netbeans commercial licenses, regardless of how you to try to change the music.
- fivea 5y ago> Still in all these years, Java was never used to sell Netbeans commercial licenses (...) But that's completely irrelevant, isn't it? Cherry-picking aside, don't you understand how loss leaders work, and how companies use that strategy to push the sale of their cash cows?
- spion 5y agoMicrosoft created the LSP to go against JetBrains :)