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> What you said would make sense, except they do build a plugin for Eclipse. I don't know a single person who used Eclipse after 2020. Don't you think that sup

by atraac 5y ago

> What you said would make sense, except they do build a plugin for Eclipse. I don't know a single person who used Eclipse after 2020. Don't you think that supporting Eclipse might be a viable marketing strategy to get people who are stuck in the past on board with newer tech, as if anything, they will probably move on to IDEA? > Ex. MS offers an official LS rather than saying "we don't support other IDEs because Visual Studio licenses." MS is a bad example because they recently literally took away a feature from dotnet to push it into VS and drive sales, which was met a HUGE backlash from the community. Dotnet IS the driving force behind Visual Studio. JetBrains actually came in and took a piece of that from them(thankfully, because I personally hate vs/vscode). Like other answer to your comment said, JetBrains doesn't owe anything to anyone. If there is already a Language Server for Kotlin, great, I don't see how a product-based company could benefit from making something that drives people away from their (already free) product...

fivea 5y ago
> I don't know a single person who used Eclipse after 2020. So your circle of acquaintances doesn't include anyone who used an IDE in the past year, and you extrapolate your personal anecdote how far? > Don't you think that supporting Eclipse might be a viable marketing strategy to get people who are stuck in the past (...) Can we spend a minute discussing how idiotic is this fad-drive development belief? I mean, why is anyone expected to be perceived as smart if they drop something that works in favour of an unproven tool just because it's new?
- nraf 5y ago
  That’s a fair statement but given that IntelliJ is over 20 years and the IDE of choice for many, if not most, professional Java engineers, it doesn’t apply here.
  - fivea 5y ago
    > (...) and the IDE of choice for many, if not most, professional Java engineers (...) The same baseless assertion can be made regarding Eclipse, and it would be less doubtful given Eclipse's FLOSS nature. Again, can we spend a minute discussing how idiotic is this fad-drive development belief? It's weird how, unlike in any engineering field, there's this cargo cult faith that new and untested is automatically better than old and reliable,and anyone who hasn't mindlessly jumped into a bandwagon is somehow the fool in the story.
Viliam1234 5y ago
> I don't know a single person who used Eclipse after 2020. What happened in 2020? Did I miss the end of the world? In my bubble, Eclipse : IDEA is about 50:50, and luckily it doesn't matter because of Maven. I am one of those Eclipse users, and I am still waiting for someone to show me a feature that IDEA has and Eclipse doesn't. From my perspective it seems like the same thing, with different aesthetics (e.g. whether you can open multiple projects in the same window, or you need different windows) and keyboard shortcuts (which can be redefined on either side). So I wouldn't try to convert people to Eclipse, but I also see no reason to convert to IDEA. I have a tool that works and does everything I need, and that makes me happy. Show me a functionality I am missing, and I may change my mind (some people already tried, and then it turned out that Eclipse had that, too); otherwise I am not interested in novelty for novelty's sake. Uhm, I am not developing for Android. There, I imagine the situation may be quite different.

by atraac 5y ago

fivea 5y ago

> I don't know a single person who used Eclipse after 2020. So your circle of acquaintances doesn't include anyone who used an IDE in the past year, and you extrapolate your personal anecdote how far? > Don't you think that supporting Eclipse might be a viable marketing strategy to get people who are stuck in the past (...) Can we spend a minute discussing how idiotic is this fad-drive development belief? I mean, why is anyone expected to be perceived as smart if they drop something that works in favour of an unproven tool just because it's new?

nraf 5y ago
That’s a fair statement but given that IntelliJ is over 20 years and the IDE of choice for many, if not most, professional Java engineers, it doesn’t apply here.
- fivea 5y ago
  > (...) and the IDE of choice for many, if not most, professional Java engineers (...) The same baseless assertion can be made regarding Eclipse, and it would be less doubtful given Eclipse's FLOSS nature. Again, can we spend a minute discussing how idiotic is this fad-drive development belief? It's weird how, unlike in any engineering field, there's this cargo cult faith that new and untested is automatically better than old and reliable,and anyone who hasn't mindlessly jumped into a bandwagon is somehow the fool in the story.

Viliam1234 5y ago

> I don't know a single person who used Eclipse after 2020. What happened in 2020? Did I miss the end of the world? In my bubble, Eclipse : IDEA is about 50:50, and luckily it doesn't matter because of Maven. I am one of those Eclipse users, and I am still waiting for someone to show me a feature that IDEA has and Eclipse doesn't. From my perspective it seems like the same thing, with different aesthetics (e.g. whether you can open multiple projects in the same window, or you need different windows) and keyboard shortcuts (which can be redefined on either side). So I wouldn't try to convert people to Eclipse, but I also see no reason to convert to IDEA. I have a tool that works and does everything I need, and that makes me happy. Show me a functionality I am missing, and I may change my mind (some people already tried, and then it turned out that Eclipse had that, too); otherwise I am not interested in novelty for novelty's sake. Uhm, I am not developing for Android. There, I imagine the situation may be quite different.