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What exactly is the problem with this? How is it different from C#? Or even Java ?

by ramraj07 5y ago

jhgb 5y ago
> What exactly is the problem with this? What if I want to continue using Emacs?
- avianlyric 5y ago
  Don’t use Kotlin? Or just deal with the lack of language support.
  - iLemming 5y ago
    That's another reason why I don't like programming languages that need a specialized IDE. PLs should be simple. Not being able to use a language efficiently in any editor of your choice is like working with a programming language that needs specialized proprietary hardware to compile.
  - native_samples 5y ago
    Or use it, and accept that the language support is about as good as it usually is for Emacs? Emacs has never had the full range of features an IDE has.
    - jhgb 5y ago
      That's a weird thing to say when for example Emacs+SLIME has had everything you wanted from a Lisp IDE for more than a decade. There's literally no reason for not having full IDE experience in Emacs.
pjmlp 5y ago
Java was never created to sell Sun's IDE, regardless of the chosen IDE you always get same support. C# was created to be the systems language of .NET, although the CLR supports other languages from day one.
- nsonha 5y ago
  Kotlin wasn't created to sell intelliJ, it had been the dominance IDE long before Kotlin inception. You found an article that happens to have that wording, that fits you hatred for some programming language. So you parroted the same argument all over this thread. Get a life.
- sorokod 5y ago
  But Sun did invest in the creation and development of Java for the financial benefit of Sun. Jetbrains invested in Kotlin for the financial benefit of Jetbrains.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    JetBrains wants to be like Borland, and like Borland is now getting beyond themselves and better not trip over.
    - sorokod 5y ago
      Regardless, Jetbrains is in the business of selling dev tools. Any past present and future investment in Kotlin must be seen in this context.
      - pjmlp 5y ago
        They better take care not to fly too high with their Kotlin Platform.
        andrekandre 5y ago
        what would flying too high mean in concrete terms? lock themselves into a tiny ecosystem?
    - fivea 5y ago
      > JetBrains wants to be like Borland, and like Borland is now getting beyond themselves and better not trip over. I don't understand what Borland's history has to do with JetBrains' decision to invest their resources on adding support for a programming language to a third-party text editor. Sounds like a non-sequitur of an unwarranted cheap shot that adds nothing to the discussion besides noise.

What exactly is the problem with this? How is it different from C#? Or even Java ?

jhgb 5y ago

> What exactly is the problem with this? What if I want to continue using Emacs?

avianlyric 5y ago
Don’t use Kotlin? Or just deal with the lack of language support.
- iLemming 5y ago
  That's another reason why I don't like programming languages that need a specialized IDE. PLs should be simple. Not being able to use a language efficiently in any editor of your choice is like working with a programming language that needs specialized proprietary hardware to compile.
- native_samples 5y ago
  Or use it, and accept that the language support is about as good as it usually is for Emacs? Emacs has never had the full range of features an IDE has.
  - jhgb 5y ago
    That's a weird thing to say when for example Emacs+SLIME has had everything you wanted from a Lisp IDE for more than a decade. There's literally no reason for not having full IDE experience in Emacs.

pjmlp 5y ago

Java was never created to sell Sun's IDE, regardless of the chosen IDE you always get same support. C# was created to be the systems language of .NET, although the CLR supports other languages from day one.

nsonha 5y ago
Kotlin wasn't created to sell intelliJ, it had been the dominance IDE long before Kotlin inception. You found an article that happens to have that wording, that fits you hatred for some programming language. So you parroted the same argument all over this thread. Get a life.
sorokod 5y ago
But Sun did invest in the creation and development of Java for the financial benefit of Sun. Jetbrains invested in Kotlin for the financial benefit of Jetbrains.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  JetBrains wants to be like Borland, and like Borland is now getting beyond themselves and better not trip over.
  - sorokod 5y ago
    Regardless, Jetbrains is in the business of selling dev tools. Any past present and future investment in Kotlin must be seen in this context.
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      They better take care not to fly too high with their Kotlin Platform.
      - andrekandre 5y ago
        what would flying too high mean in concrete terms? lock themselves into a tiny ecosystem?
  - fivea 5y ago
    > JetBrains wants to be like Borland, and like Borland is now getting beyond themselves and better not trip over. I don't understand what Borland's history has to do with JetBrains' decision to invest their resources on adding support for a programming language to a third-party text editor. Sounds like a non-sequitur of an unwarranted cheap shot that adds nothing to the discussion besides noise.