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> But none of those drugs will result in the long-term change that you’re looking for I mean, it literally did, and I stated as such. Obviously the drug itsel

by _asli 5y ago

> But none of those drugs will result in the long-term change that you’re looking for I mean, it literally did, and I stated as such. Obviously the drug itself was not enough. The scenario and the realization afterword also mattered. But without mdma my life would likely have been very different. Also, unlike cocaine etc. mdma isn’t addictive - taking more and more of it just results in you feeling shittier for longer.

water8 5y ago
Let’s not advocate schedule one controlled substances as the solution Even though it probably works
- chadash 5y ago
  I can't tell if this is sarcastic. Marijuana is both a "schedule 1 controlled substance" (which is a federal classification) and fully legal in 18 states. The term "schedule 1" doesn't say much about danger, which is not to say that there aren't dangerous drugs on the schedule 1 list.
  - water8 5y ago
    Why are you bringing marijuana into an argument with about meth? What do you think the MA in MDMA stands for
    - hsuduebc2 5y ago
      Because he is pointing towards this absurd hypocrisy? Are you aware that these substances are two different things?
    - _asli 5y ago
      >What do you think the MA in MDMA stands for This isn’t a very good argument. Table salt is literally Sodium and Chlorine, both of which are extremely toxic to humans but that’s irrelevant to anyone who understands that molecules have different effects than other molecules that share part of the same name. Again though, mdma can kill you even if it’s completely pure. This is especially true if you take MAOIs or drink not enough/too much water or take any other meds that mess with serotonin. Please research things carefully.
      - water8 5y ago
        The core molecule is amphetamine. Everything else is a binder that determines how long and how many passes it takes for your system. Adderall and methamphetamine only differ by a methyl group which makes it break down slower.
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    - barbs 5y ago
      Sorry, no. MDMA is not the same as meth. The molecules are similar, sure, but they are different substances with different effects. Trying to equate the two is pretty disingenuous.
    - baby 5y ago
      That's the first time I see people mentioning meth and MDMA in the same convo. Also meth != methylene
    - ta2987 5y ago
- barry-cotter 5y ago
  Legality and morality are not the same.
- lee 5y ago
  US drug scheduling is incredibly political and does not reflect how harmful a drug is. As an example, cocaine is a schedule 2 drug but magic mushrooms, which has the lowest potential for harm (even lower than caffeine), is a schedule 1 drug.
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  - water8 5y ago
    Ecstasy is meth dude, it ruins a lot of peoples lives. I’ve seen it happen so maybe you’re personally responsible but there’s a lot of freaking people that aren’t. You can destroy their lies if they try your advice and it doesn’t work out
    - hsuduebc2 5y ago
      No. Ecstasy is not a meth. Ecstasy is different substance with different effects. Ecstasy/MDMA: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA Meth: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine Ecstasy(MDMA) was like magic for the first time. It certainly should be taken only on special occasions but having molly with your loved one is beautiful experience.
      - water8 5y ago
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        dragonwriter 5y ago
        > Do you think MDMA just breaks down completely devoid of methamphetamine as a metabolite? AFAICT, that is correct; why do you think it doesn't? Name-based intuition? Every reference, paper, etc., I can find of MDMA metabolites does not identify N-methylamphetamine (“methamphetamine”) as a metabolite of MDMA, and every identified metabolite retains the two oxygens of the methylenedioxy unit (whether it retains the whole unit or not) that distinguishes MDMA from methamphetamine.

by _asli 5y ago

water8 5y ago

Let’s not advocate schedule one controlled substances as the solution Even though it probably works

chadash 5y ago
I can't tell if this is sarcastic. Marijuana is both a "schedule 1 controlled substance" (which is a federal classification) and fully legal in 18 states. The term "schedule 1" doesn't say much about danger, which is not to say that there aren't dangerous drugs on the schedule 1 list.
- water8 5y ago
  Why are you bringing marijuana into an argument with about meth? What do you think the MA in MDMA stands for
  - hsuduebc2 5y ago
    Because he is pointing towards this absurd hypocrisy? Are you aware that these substances are two different things?
  - _asli 5y ago
    >What do you think the MA in MDMA stands for This isn’t a very good argument. Table salt is literally Sodium and Chlorine, both of which are extremely toxic to humans but that’s irrelevant to anyone who understands that molecules have different effects than other molecules that share part of the same name. Again though, mdma can kill you even if it’s completely pure. This is especially true if you take MAOIs or drink not enough/too much water or take any other meds that mess with serotonin. Please research things carefully.
    - water8 5y ago
      The core molecule is amphetamine. Everything else is a binder that determines how long and how many passes it takes for your system. Adderall and methamphetamine only differ by a methyl group which makes it break down slower.
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  - barbs 5y ago
    Sorry, no. MDMA is not the same as meth. The molecules are similar, sure, but they are different substances with different effects. Trying to equate the two is pretty disingenuous.
  - baby 5y ago
    That's the first time I see people mentioning meth and MDMA in the same convo. Also meth != methylene
  - ta2987 5y ago
barry-cotter 5y ago
Legality and morality are not the same.
lee 5y ago
US drug scheduling is incredibly political and does not reflect how harmful a drug is. As an example, cocaine is a schedule 2 drug but magic mushrooms, which has the lowest potential for harm (even lower than caffeine), is a schedule 1 drug.
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- water8 5y ago
  Ecstasy is meth dude, it ruins a lot of peoples lives. I’ve seen it happen so maybe you’re personally responsible but there’s a lot of freaking people that aren’t. You can destroy their lies if they try your advice and it doesn’t work out
  - hsuduebc2 5y ago
    No. Ecstasy is not a meth. Ecstasy is different substance with different effects. Ecstasy/MDMA: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA Meth: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine Ecstasy(MDMA) was like magic for the first time. It certainly should be taken only on special occasions but having molly with your loved one is beautiful experience.
    - water8 5y ago
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      - dragonwriter 5y ago
        > Do you think MDMA just breaks down completely devoid of methamphetamine as a metabolite? AFAICT, that is correct; why do you think it doesn't? Name-based intuition? Every reference, paper, etc., I can find of MDMA metabolites does not identify N-methylamphetamine (“methamphetamine”) as a metabolite of MDMA, and every identified metabolite retains the two oxygens of the methylenedioxy unit (whether it retains the whole unit or not) that distinguishes MDMA from methamphetamine.