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I don't know if it's specific to Spain. But Spanish people have a problematic relationship with "culture". "Culture" has this double definition of, on one side

I don't know if it's specific to Spain. But Spanish people have a problematic relationship with "culture". "Culture" has this double definition of, on one side, "customs", and in the other as basically a synonym for "art". With extra points for "art" being this abstract thing nobody knows what exactly is, but everybody agrees that -whatever it is- it's "good". So in Spain there is this national sport in which you take something, no matter how horrible, try to include it in the definition of "culture" and... since "culture is good" -> "thing is good". Bulls? Yes, I hear you, you are making great logical arguments but... they are "culture" (purposely being ambiguous about whether you refer to "traditional Spanish custom" or "form of art"). And that's it, that's the end of the argument: Bulls == culture == good. Whatever you say, the answer will be "culture". And you are not going to argue culture is bad, are you? And it's not only bulls. You can use it with whatever you want to support, and somehow in Spain it works quite well!

hiptobecubic 5y ago
> And you are not going to argue culture is bad, are you? This is where it falls apart imo. Of course some aspects of various cultures are bad.
- LaLaLand122 5y ago
  Fall apart? The whole thing relies on being inconsistent! It's basically the most popular Spanish form of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense. They may have relied on "traditional custom" to get here. But they are using "art" when asking "Are you saying culture is bad?". Forget logic, any complaint to bulls is now obviously coming from uneducated idiots. Any "cultured" person will surely agree that culture is good and ergo bulls are good. What I'm saying is that, at least in Spain, it's common practice to overextend ANY meaning of "culture" to then use the "art" meaning as a joker card in any argument. It's used in bar conversation, and it's used in the Parliament.

hiptobecubic 5y ago

> And you are not going to argue culture is bad, are you? This is where it falls apart imo. Of course some aspects of various cultures are bad.

LaLaLand122 5y ago
Fall apart? The whole thing relies on being inconsistent! It's basically the most popular Spanish form of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense. They may have relied on "traditional custom" to get here. But they are using "art" when asking "Are you saying culture is bad?". Forget logic, any complaint to bulls is now obviously coming from uneducated idiots. Any "cultured" person will surely agree that culture is good and ergo bulls are good. What I'm saying is that, at least in Spain, it's common practice to overextend ANY meaning of "culture" to then use the "art" meaning as a joker card in any argument. It's used in bar conversation, and it's used in the Parliament.