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Denmark is not just an outlier among the four countries. It's an outlier within all of Europe in terms of its correlation between COVID death and population wei

Denmark is not just an outlier among the four countries. It's an outlier within all of Europe in terms of its correlation between COVID death and population weighted density. Denmark's counter-example alone is therefore not enough to discount the relationship between population weighted density and COVID risk in my opinion. Consequently, the other Nordic countries, having lower population weighted density than Sweden, make a poor set to compare Sweden to.

ModernMech 5y ago
I disagree, even if n = ~40 you still need more justification to call Denmark an outlier. There's no accompanying analysis to support its rejection from the comparison, let alone an attempt to quantify exactly how much of an outlier it actually is. Especially when the title of your piece is "Sweden vindicated", you'd better do more than handwave. > in my opinion Right, let's just be clear that's what this is.
- CryptoPunk 5y ago
  Your response is pedantic. It is statistically an outlier. "There's no accompanying analysis to support its rejection from the comparison, let alone an attempt to quantify exactly how much of an outlier it actually is." There's no accompanying analysis to support its inclusion in the comparison, let alone an attempt to quantify exactly how comparable it actually is. Claiming Sweden underperformed Denmark is also a far cry from claiming that Sweden underpeformed other Nordic countries as a whole, as the original article does.
  - ModernMech 5y ago
    > It is statistically an outlier. Is it though? Because neither you nor the linked piece have provided any framework by which to call it an outlier. Calling something a statistical outlier has no meaning without statistics. > There's no accompanying analysis to support its inclusion in the comparison The case for its inclusion is the fact that it's a country in the region, and we're comparing countries in the region. You don't need a good reason to include it, you need a good reason to exclude it, especially when it's the only one excluded, and again, especially when the title of the piece contains the word "vindicated". Calling something an outlier and causally tossing it aside, especially when it contradicts your point is classic cherry picking.
    - CryptoPunk 5y ago
      >>Is it though? Because neither you nor the linked piece have provided any framework by which to call it an outlier. Calling something a statistical outlier has no meaning without statistics. That's entirely false. The study provided the framework, which is a map and graph showing the countries of Europe and both their population weighted density, and their COVID mortality rates, respectively: https://i0.wp.com/swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/population-density-europe-e1639867067166.jpg?w=1472&ssl=1 https://i0.wp.com/swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/popul... https://i0.wp.com/swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/sweden-europe-mortality-comparison.png?w=1166&ssl=1 https://i0.wp.com/swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/swede... It's plainly a statistical outlier. >>The case for its inclusion is the fact that it's a country in the region, and we're comparing countries in the region. There's no accompanying analysis to support grouping all countries of a region together for a comparison. You need a good reason to include it, given you're using it a reference point to criticize a partricular country's response.
goto11 5y ago
Among the Nordic countries, Sweden is the outlier because of the larger number of deaths relative to the population-weighed density. The Nordic countries are otherwise pretty comparable when it comes to demographics, household size and general culture.

ModernMech 5y ago

I disagree, even if n = ~40 you still need more justification to call Denmark an outlier. There's no accompanying analysis to support its rejection from the comparison, let alone an attempt to quantify exactly how much of an outlier it actually is. Especially when the title of your piece is "Sweden vindicated", you'd better do more than handwave. > in my opinion Right, let's just be clear that's what this is.

CryptoPunk 5y ago
Your response is pedantic. It is statistically an outlier. "There's no accompanying analysis to support its rejection from the comparison, let alone an attempt to quantify exactly how much of an outlier it actually is." There's no accompanying analysis to support its inclusion in the comparison, let alone an attempt to quantify exactly how comparable it actually is. Claiming Sweden underperformed Denmark is also a far cry from claiming that Sweden underpeformed other Nordic countries as a whole, as the original article does.
- ModernMech 5y ago
  > It is statistically an outlier. Is it though? Because neither you nor the linked piece have provided any framework by which to call it an outlier. Calling something a statistical outlier has no meaning without statistics. > There's no accompanying analysis to support its inclusion in the comparison The case for its inclusion is the fact that it's a country in the region, and we're comparing countries in the region. You don't need a good reason to include it, you need a good reason to exclude it, especially when it's the only one excluded, and again, especially when the title of the piece contains the word "vindicated". Calling something an outlier and causally tossing it aside, especially when it contradicts your point is classic cherry picking.
  - CryptoPunk 5y ago
    >>Is it though? Because neither you nor the linked piece have provided any framework by which to call it an outlier. Calling something a statistical outlier has no meaning without statistics. That's entirely false. The study provided the framework, which is a map and graph showing the countries of Europe and both their population weighted density, and their COVID mortality rates, respectively: https://i0.wp.com/swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/population-density-europe-e1639867067166.jpg?w=1472&ssl=1 https://i0.wp.com/swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/popul... https://i0.wp.com/swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/sweden-europe-mortality-comparison.png?w=1166&ssl=1 https://i0.wp.com/swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/swede... It's plainly a statistical outlier. >>The case for its inclusion is the fact that it's a country in the region, and we're comparing countries in the region. There's no accompanying analysis to support grouping all countries of a region together for a comparison. You need a good reason to include it, given you're using it a reference point to criticize a partricular country's response.

goto11 5y ago

Among the Nordic countries, Sweden is the outlier because of the larger number of deaths relative to the population-weighed density. The Nordic countries are otherwise pretty comparable when it comes to demographics, household size and general culture.