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Agreed. Veganism is the moral baseline.
by sweetheart 5y ago
Agreed. Veganism is the moral baseline.
- oh_sigh 5y agoThe irony being that a ton of marketed vegan food is dripping with palm oil, and if the companies produced it using oppressive, slave-like animal labor instead of oppressive, slave-like human labor, vegans would choose not to eat it.
- mauflows 5y agoTwo things can be bad at once and plenty of vegans will also watch out for palm oil.
- oh_sigh 5y agoI agree - my point is that mere veganism can't be a moral baseline because it completely ignores the suffering of the workers who help produce the food.
- sweetheart 5y agoIt doesn’t. You misunderstand veganism.
- oh_sigh 5y agoI don't. Otherwise palm oil wouldn't even be an issue in the community.
- xvector 5y agoThe suffering involved in the creation of palm oil over the course of years does not come anywhere close to the amount of suffering caused by a single day of factory farming. The latter is many magnitudes greater.
- samatman 5y agoNot it is not. My argument is descriptive while yours is merely insistent.
- sweetheart 5y agoI disagree, and I think history will remember any belief system (or diet) that permits unnecessary suffering for temporary pleasure as being barbaric and ridiculous.
- samatman 5y agoMore likely to be remembered like the Shakers if it's remembered at all. History belongs to those with children. The bike riding vegan city living set would surprise me if they have one full child per four adults.