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That’s because it’s a logical appeal. The argument is: Eating meat causes suffering to the animal. Eating meat is unnecessary for a human life. Eating meat ca
by Nbox9 5y ago
That’s because it’s a logical appeal. The argument is: Eating meat causes suffering to the animal. Eating meat is unnecessary for a human life. Eating meat causes unnecessary suffering.
- yesco 5y agoOkay then your "logical appeal" is unconvincing, I disagree that eating meat is uneccessary.
- sweetheart 5y agoYou disagree with every major nutritional and dietetic institute around the world. Google it.
- yesco 5y agoNo, provide me the sources if you want to use them as a part of your argument.
- sweetheart 5y agoOkay. https://youaretheirvoice.com/pages/the-clear-consensus https://youaretheirvoice.com/pages/the-clear-consensus Enjoy.
- cercatrova 5y agoIn an argument, if you're trying to convince the other person to support your beliefs, you wouldn't use clearly biased sources like you did here. I have no argument with you specifically but just pointing it out for the future that people will dismiss any biased sources you give them, which is probably not what you want the outcome to be in an argumentative fashion.
- sweetheart 5y agoYou mean Kaiser Permanente? And Harvard Medical School? And The American Institute for Cancer Research? And the British Dietetic Association? And the Mayo Clinic? What biases are you talking about?
- cercatrova 5y agoThe site you linked is affiliated with vegan causes, is it not? Just because the sources are from those institutions does not mean they aren't cherry picked for that specific cause. I can also quote journals with conclusions justifying omnivorous consumption as well [0] but those would be just as cherry picked. [0] https://sapienjournal.org/people-who-eat-meat-experience-lower-levels-of-depression-and-anxiety-compared-to-vegans/ https://sapienjournal.org/people-who-eat-meat-experience-low...
- sweetheart 5y agoMate, the website is just a collection of links to the actual research. I’m being asked for sources, I give tons of very credible sources, and your retort is to just claim that now they are cherry picked? Sure, we can ALWAYS find a source that supports whatever claim we want to make. But let’s look at the general scientific consensus. The overwhelming majority of research indicates that veganism is perfectly healthy. That’s what I linked! Your single journalistic summary of summary about non-causal associations between meat eating and depression don’t undo the general scientific consensus.
- belorn 5y agoIf we want the best diet that science has we can look at papers like (https://www.onlinejacc.org/content/76/12/1484 https://www.onlinejacc.org/content/76/12/1484), or rankings like (https://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-healthy-eating-diets https://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-healthy-eating-diet...), or just go by world health organizations guide at (https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/healthy-diet https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/healthy-die...) In a nutshell, obesity and sugars are the killer regardless if they are vegetarian calories or animal calories. Second comes minerals that effect blood pressure, and third its peoples need for vitamins. A healthy diet is one that avoid health risks. Fiber rich food and fish is linked with lower weight gain. Sugar is linked with tooth decay and obesity, especially that white stuff that get produced by plants. A diet need to balance vitamins and minerals based on how active the individual is. No alcohol, no drugs, no tobacco, no coffee, no added sugar or fructose to water. If its an stimulant then there is risk for harm. A healthy diet should be diversified and balanced.
- schrodinger 5y agoYou can’t just disagree with a fact. There are plenty of examples of people who live normal life spans without eating meat.
- yesco 5y agoProvide them then, real hard evidence that lifespans are unaffected by the average person with a vegan diet.
- Turing_Machine 5y agoThere are plenty of examples of people who lived normal lifespans without using electricity, without modern medicine, without central heating, without running water... So what?
- twojacobtwo 5y agoI believe a logical implication of your 'argument' is that you think vegans don't exist. Is that really the case?
- yesco 5y agoI believe vegan diets are detrimental to health, I consider being healthy necessary for human life. I realize vegans like to imply the opposite but not only has the evidence been unconvincing, but I frankly have never met a healthy looking vegan in real life. Not that any actual evidence or true rational argument has been provided by such parties in this comment chain. Appealing to emotion and agressively stating what you want to be true are simply not conductive to a productive argument.
- sweetheart 5y agoHow would you know if someone you met is a healthy vegan?…
- prepend 5y agoVegans are pretty vocal so it’s pretty easy to identify them. It’s like the CrossFit of diet regimens in that they self announce quite a bit. I’m sure there are some quiet vegans, and it’s possible that I just don’t know people well enough to know whether they are vegan. I’ve met dozens of vegans over he years and friends with many. As I’m friends with them, I’m aware of their health issues or lack of health issues.
- sweetheart 5y agoIgnoring the fact that you still would have clue who you meet is a healthy vegan because why the hell would that come up casually when meeting random people throughout the day, your belief is the opposite of every major nutritional and dietetic association around the world. I linked to the collection of those official stances elsewhere in the thread. That means that not only do you claim to have a better understanding of nutrition than those organizations and the thousands of nutritionists and scientists they represent, but you are able to determine your correctness by merely talking to the vegans you’ve met. That means you’re able to also trivially determine if someone’s health issues are caused directly by veganism, rather than merely present in a vegan. That is a level of delusion and arrogance I genuinely cannot comprehend.
- Turing_Machine 5y ago> Eating meat is unnecessary for a human life There are a lot of things that are "unnecessary for human life", such as using electricity. Making electricity harms the environment, causing suffering. Therefore, you should stop using your computer. Right?
- sweetheart 5y agoSomeone is asking you to consider not supporting animal abuse, and you’re making the case that using electricity is comparably bad. That’s worth just calling out and appreciating for a moment.
- Turing_Machine 5y ago> Someone is asking you to consider not supporting animal abuse, and you’re making the case that using electricity is comparably bad. The arguments are exactly the same, despite your attempt to spin it. The original argument was that a) eating meat is not necessary to human life, b) eating meat harms animals, c) therefore, you should stop eating meat. My recasting of your argument is a) using electricity is not necessary to human life, b) using electricity harms animals, c) therefore, you should stop using electricity. What is the difference between these arguments? Be specific. And I don't really care if you "call me out". I don't bully. Sorry.
- sweetheart 5y agoNah mate, you’re on your own for that one. I hope you’ll dwell on it though and try to understand how that’s a very meaningless comparison.
- Turing_Machine 5y agoIn other words, you're conceding the point. P.S. I'm not your "mate".