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As far as hurting animals for entertainment goes, we can look at our meals for inspiration. The average person will cause magnitudes more suffering than the bul
by xvector 5y ago
As far as hurting animals for entertainment goes, we can look at our meals for inspiration. The average person will cause magnitudes more suffering than the bull runs thanks to their dietary choices.
Factory farms are objectively the largest producers of suffering this planet has ever seen [1, 2], and most people consume the meat they produce for pleasure as opposed to necessity.
[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko
[2]: https://www.dominionmovement.com/facts https://www.dominionmovement.com/facts
- netizen-936824 5y agoI think what you say is a reasonable statement. At least in the US, food and eating is considered by some to be a pasttime/hobby rather than something essential for life. Needless death and suffering for the enjoyment of food.
- sweetheart 5y agoAgreed. Veganism is the moral baseline.
- oh_sigh 5y agoThe irony being that a ton of marketed vegan food is dripping with palm oil, and if the companies produced it using oppressive, slave-like animal labor instead of oppressive, slave-like human labor, vegans would choose not to eat it.
- mauflows 5y agoTwo things can be bad at once and plenty of vegans will also watch out for palm oil.
- oh_sigh 5y agoI agree - my point is that mere veganism can't be a moral baseline because it completely ignores the suffering of the workers who help produce the food.
- sweetheart 5y agoIt doesn’t. You misunderstand veganism.
- oh_sigh 5y agoI don't. Otherwise palm oil wouldn't even be an issue in the community.
- xvector 5y agoThe suffering involved in the creation of palm oil over the course of years does not come anywhere close to the amount of suffering caused by a single day of factory farming. The latter is many magnitudes greater.
- samatman 5y agoNot it is not. My argument is descriptive while yours is merely insistent.
- sweetheart 5y agoI disagree, and I think history will remember any belief system (or diet) that permits unnecessary suffering for temporary pleasure as being barbaric and ridiculous.
- samatman 5y agoMore likely to be remembered like the Shakers if it's remembered at all. History belongs to those with children. The bike riding vegan city living set would surprise me if they have one full child per four adults.