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Wow. This thread isn't controversial at all. I haven't found a single comment making a case for Snap. It seems to be universally disliked - at least by this cro

Wow. This thread isn't controversial at all. I haven't found a single comment making a case for Snap. It seems to be universally disliked - at least by this crowd.

apexalpha 5y ago
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- Brian_K_White 5y ago
  My reasons for hating for example the FF snap are quite valid thank you very much. Shall I ponder out loud my own unflattering assumptions as to why you are ok with something like snaps?
  - apexalpha 5y ago
    Sure, I'd be interested to hear why you prefer (why hate?) traditional packages over containarized ones like Snap or Flatpak. I'm just a bit weirded out by the vocal hate and anti-Canonical sentiment in this thread. Some people even proudly complaining they've "never used Snaps and never will!" I mean in the end it's a packaging format with pros and cons, I suppose. But the threads on this subject feels almost an American political debate where everyone is dug in and flinging shit to the other side.
    - Brian_K_White 5y ago
      That's not what I asked, and apparently you missed the point of why I asked it.
kd913 5y ago
It's disliked by the same Linux purists who complain constantly about systemd. Bit odd how the same community hates Canonical considering how it's now the only FOSS commercial entity considering Red Hat was bought by IBM. The community treats them worse than Microsoft for no good reasons. If you don't like snap, fine, use flatpak, apt, AppImages. Nobody is forcing you on ubuntu systems, but they spend their effort and time whining here. I like snaps, I use them for everything I can. - They are better confined than flatpaks, and come with a permission based model. Hence why there are some rougher edges. I appreciate the increased security. - I appreciate the ability that when I remove a snap, the entire thing is removed with no littering. - They are significantly easier to distribute on ubuntu than dealing with ppas or launchpad. - They are a one-stop shop for finding the software I care about. I don't need to hit the command line, or add another repo. - They save time and money because devs only need to support 1 base. - I can install software on ubuntu without giving root privileges in a self-contained fashion. Some common complains: - The store isn't open sourced. Well yes, that is because they wasted time from the same whiny people over launchpad. Nobody else runs and supports launchpad. Hence nobody else would frankly bother running the snap store. - People can't run their own store. Well yes, that is because Canonical learned from a decade ago with the security nightmare that is PPAs. Yea, it is a bad idea giving devs root access to 100k worth of machines to run arbitrary scripts. Also really bad UX. -It's slow to startup with theming issues. Well the situation has improved 100x since a few years ago, and also I run an ssd, 32gb of RAM and a 3600, I don't really care for a few seconds in launch time.
- zmk5 5y ago
  Thank you for this comment. The Ubuntu/Canonical hate that goes around on this platform is pretty ridiculous.

Wow. This thread isn't controversial at all. I haven't found a single comment making a case for Snap. It seems to be universally disliked - at least by this crowd.

apexalpha 5y ago

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Brian_K_White 5y ago
My reasons for hating for example the FF snap are quite valid thank you very much. Shall I ponder out loud my own unflattering assumptions as to why you are ok with something like snaps?
- apexalpha 5y ago
  Sure, I'd be interested to hear why you prefer (why hate?) traditional packages over containarized ones like Snap or Flatpak. I'm just a bit weirded out by the vocal hate and anti-Canonical sentiment in this thread. Some people even proudly complaining they've "never used Snaps and never will!" I mean in the end it's a packaging format with pros and cons, I suppose. But the threads on this subject feels almost an American political debate where everyone is dug in and flinging shit to the other side.
  - Brian_K_White 5y ago
    That's not what I asked, and apparently you missed the point of why I asked it.

kd913 5y ago

It's disliked by the same Linux purists who complain constantly about systemd. Bit odd how the same community hates Canonical considering how it's now the only FOSS commercial entity considering Red Hat was bought by IBM. The community treats them worse than Microsoft for no good reasons. If you don't like snap, fine, use flatpak, apt, AppImages. Nobody is forcing you on ubuntu systems, but they spend their effort and time whining here. I like snaps, I use them for everything I can. - They are better confined than flatpaks, and come with a permission based model. Hence why there are some rougher edges. I appreciate the increased security. - I appreciate the ability that when I remove a snap, the entire thing is removed with no littering. - They are significantly easier to distribute on ubuntu than dealing with ppas or launchpad. - They are a one-stop shop for finding the software I care about. I don't need to hit the command line, or add another repo. - They save time and money because devs only need to support 1 base. - I can install software on ubuntu without giving root privileges in a self-contained fashion. Some common complains: - The store isn't open sourced. Well yes, that is because they wasted time from the same whiny people over launchpad. Nobody else runs and supports launchpad. Hence nobody else would frankly bother running the snap store. - People can't run their own store. Well yes, that is because Canonical learned from a decade ago with the security nightmare that is PPAs. Yea, it is a bad idea giving devs root access to 100k worth of machines to run arbitrary scripts. Also really bad UX. -It's slow to startup with theming issues. Well the situation has improved 100x since a few years ago, and also I run an ssd, 32gb of RAM and a 3600, I don't really care for a few seconds in launch time.

zmk5 5y ago
Thank you for this comment. The Ubuntu/Canonical hate that goes around on this platform is pretty ridiculous.