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I see they're honestly trying to ease life for technically illiterate users (or, put it another way, to chase Apple's "just works" experience). But ignoring the

I see they're honestly trying to ease life for technically illiterate users (or, put it another way, to chase Apple's "just works" experience). But ignoring the needs of professional users (who are influencers) is a sure way to divert all users.

daniel-thompson 5y ago
OK but even Apple lets you toggle automatic updates on or off.
- cuteboy19 5y ago
  And so does Google Play Store. Even windows has the settings buried somewhere
MiddleEndian 5y ago
Many technically illiterate users don't like forced automatic updates either. Having your software behave one way one day and another the next day is user-hostile. The only people it helps are organizations that wish to lower support costs.
- rsolva 5y ago
  I have heard disturbing stories from tech-illiterate windows users complaining about forced upgrades, reboots—even fullscreen Office365 ads. It's a pain to be "the computer guy" for windows users. They need help constantly and for silly things that has changed place or behaviour. I also do support for tech-illiterate linux users on Fedora and they never call or have trouble. It just works, even with auto-updated flatpaks enabled.
  - stjohnswarts 5y ago
    Yeah ton's of memes out there by windows users who were forced to upgrade 5 minutes before a meeting or something. It's a real issue. It's why I leave my office laptop on all night, so they can do their stupid forced upgrades in the middle of the night like they schedule them. I have too many meeting to wait for a 30minute - 1 hour update popping up unexpectedly.
  - MiddleEndian 5y ago
    I'm not even tech illiterate (I used to work at Microsoft!) and I was thrown off by the fullscreen Office365 ads they added around 2019. The shortcut was just "all of your modifier keys" so it got activated randomly when I picked up my keyboard by the corner and it took me a bit to track that down. Think I had to fix it with a registry key. It's fucking nonsense and it's really no mystery why users don't want automatic updates.

daniel-thompson 5y ago

OK but even Apple lets you toggle automatic updates on or off.

cuteboy19 5y ago
And so does Google Play Store. Even windows has the settings buried somewhere

MiddleEndian 5y ago

Many technically illiterate users don't like forced automatic updates either. Having your software behave one way one day and another the next day is user-hostile. The only people it helps are organizations that wish to lower support costs.

rsolva 5y ago
I have heard disturbing stories from tech-illiterate windows users complaining about forced upgrades, reboots—even fullscreen Office365 ads. It's a pain to be "the computer guy" for windows users. They need help constantly and for silly things that has changed place or behaviour. I also do support for tech-illiterate linux users on Fedora and they never call or have trouble. It just works, even with auto-updated flatpaks enabled.
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  Yeah ton's of memes out there by windows users who were forced to upgrade 5 minutes before a meeting or something. It's a real issue. It's why I leave my office laptop on all night, so they can do their stupid forced upgrades in the middle of the night like they schedule them. I have too many meeting to wait for a 30minute - 1 hour update popping up unexpectedly.
- MiddleEndian 5y ago
  I'm not even tech illiterate (I used to work at Microsoft!) and I was thrown off by the fullscreen Office365 ads they added around 2019. The shortcut was just "all of your modifier keys" so it got activated randomly when I picked up my keyboard by the corner and it took me a bit to track that down. Think I had to fix it with a registry key. It's fucking nonsense and it's really no mystery why users don't want automatic updates.