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It’s kinda wild that women are basically expected to take on all the side effect risk of birth control and no one even questions it unless side effects are actu

by ada1981 5y ago

It’s kinda wild that women are basically expected to take on all the side effect risk of birth control and no one even questions it unless side effects are actually death (Remember Yaz?). I’m also curious about how blocking vitamin A doesn’t have side effects - don’t I need vitamin A?

zeckalpha 5y ago
Nutritional vitamin A can be absorbed separately from vitamin A receptors in the neural system.
cik2e 5y ago
I don't think "expected" is the right word when a) it's the only option and b) women suffer most of the consequences of unwanted pregnancies. I guess there are child support for males wrt to (b), which could very well incentivize the use of a male pill.
- ada1981 5y ago
  Men can get vasectomies. But the basic point is that, it’s only even considered a possible option for men if there are no side effects. Yet all forms of birth control for women have side effects.
  - throwaway00893 5y ago
    Men can get a vasectomy, if they are 100% sure they don't want kids, ever. Women can get a copper IUD with no hormonal side effects inserted in a few minutes and will be protected against pregnancy for up to 10 years (or can opt to have it removed at any time). If pregnancy occurs, women can just order pills online [0] that will stop it (as long as they detect it in the early stages). Men have no control in the matter. If a woman decides to go forth with a pregnancy against the man's will, he can either abandon his child and have his wages garnished for 18 years, or accept his new situation and become a father. To be clear, I think the idea that a woman's partner should have any control over whether she gets an abortion is absurd. But women clearly have the advantage when it comes to reproductive choices right now. I hope male birth control pills can help change that. [0] https://www.plancpills.org/ https://www.plancpills.org/
    - ada1981 5y ago
      IUDs arent without side effects and I’ve heard horror stories from women. Also, morning after pills are also not without side effects.
tzs 5y ago
Historically, it's not actually all that wild when you consider that women are the ones that take on all the medical risk and took on most of the economic risk associated with being pregnant and later with having a child. Remember that in many societies up until recent times sex outside of marriage was seriously frowned upon but the woman was often punished much more harshly than the man (if the man was even punished at all). Women, then, needed birth control more than men did because pregnancy had more severe consequences for women than for men. Relying on men to take care of birth control requires the woman to put a lot of trust in the man, who might not have nearly as strong an interest as the woman in that birth control being successful.

zeckalpha 5y ago

Nutritional vitamin A can be absorbed separately from vitamin A receptors in the neural system.

cik2e 5y ago

I don't think "expected" is the right word when a) it's the only option and b) women suffer most of the consequences of unwanted pregnancies. I guess there are child support for males wrt to (b), which could very well incentivize the use of a male pill.

ada1981 5y ago
Men can get vasectomies. But the basic point is that, it’s only even considered a possible option for men if there are no side effects. Yet all forms of birth control for women have side effects.
- throwaway00893 5y ago
  Men can get a vasectomy, if they are 100% sure they don't want kids, ever. Women can get a copper IUD with no hormonal side effects inserted in a few minutes and will be protected against pregnancy for up to 10 years (or can opt to have it removed at any time). If pregnancy occurs, women can just order pills online [0] that will stop it (as long as they detect it in the early stages). Men have no control in the matter. If a woman decides to go forth with a pregnancy against the man's will, he can either abandon his child and have his wages garnished for 18 years, or accept his new situation and become a father. To be clear, I think the idea that a woman's partner should have any control over whether she gets an abortion is absurd. But women clearly have the advantage when it comes to reproductive choices right now. I hope male birth control pills can help change that. [0] https://www.plancpills.org/ https://www.plancpills.org/
  - ada1981 5y ago
    IUDs arent without side effects and I’ve heard horror stories from women. Also, morning after pills are also not without side effects.

tzs 5y ago

Historically, it's not actually all that wild when you consider that women are the ones that take on all the medical risk and took on most of the economic risk associated with being pregnant and later with having a child. Remember that in many societies up until recent times sex outside of marriage was seriously frowned upon but the woman was often punished much more harshly than the man (if the man was even punished at all). Women, then, needed birth control more than men did because pregnancy had more severe consequences for women than for men. Relying on men to take care of birth control requires the woman to put a lot of trust in the man, who might not have nearly as strong an interest as the woman in that birth control being successful.