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There is Trestolone which is studied and shown to be very effective (patients had zero sperm in their ejaculate after several months of administering the compou

There is Trestolone which is studied and shown to be very effective (patients had zero sperm in their ejaculate after several months of administering the compound), but there are hormonal side effects similar to testosterone, which kind of explains why it's pretty much only used in the bodybuilding community. The pill in the article is a non-hormonal one, which is interesting

pcthrowaway 5y ago
Vasalgel (a reversible injection that prevents your swimmers from making it into the sauce) is another interesting one that has never made it to release for perplexing reasons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_inhibition_of_sperm_under_guidance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_inhibition_of_sperm...
- recuter 5y ago
  This one requires two injections right into the most awkward bit of ye old twig and berries, the first to numb the pain from the second. Afterwards you walk around sore with a swollen scrotum for a week. Doesn't seem that perplexing. Unless you're into that sort of thing, not that there is anything wrong with that..
  - pygy_ 5y ago
    Vasalgel (a.k.a. RISUG) may not be for everyone, but even 1% of the male population would be a gigantic market, and yet RISUG never found corporate backing (it's been around for 40 years). I've been waiting for this for more than 10 years now, ever since I've learned about it.
  - burnoutgal 5y ago
    Have you ever read about what it's like to get an IUD inserted? I would recommend checking that out and then asking whether a small injection to the genitals is really the worst possibility.
    - recuter 5y ago
      I'm sure nothing could be worse. You're welcome to volunteer to get either procedure, both, or neither. I would recommend elective medical procedures stay optional.
      - CodeShmode 5y ago
        I've heard someone say the pain from inserting an IUD was so great they backed out halfway through the procedure.
        recuter 5y ago
        An ex-gf of mine gently flicked my gonads once without warning, that was no picnic either. Luckily, just like an IUD, it isn't mandatory. Horses for courses.
  - lwkl 5y ago
    IUDs are a thing for women and what you are describing sounds similar to the experience putting in or taking out an IUD is according to some women who described it to me. I don't know how long the injections last but if they last a similar time as IUDs. I think this would be acceptable. But maybe there aren't enough men that are willing to get birth control like this, to market this product. The incentive for women to take birth control is much higher after all.
    - david38 5y ago
      I have never known a woman to describe IUDs as anything like this.
- igetspam 5y ago
  Injections into the penis are probably a non starter for a lot of people. I had a vasectomy, so I don't have anything to worry about now but I'd choose a pill over a shot any day, no matter how frequent. Also, being able to stop taking a pill whenever I want is a benefit. Had I not already chosen a permanent path, I'd sign up for a trial today.
  - DebtDeflation 5y ago
    >Injections into the penis Pass.
    - rpastuszak 5y ago
      This hardly compares to what women on the pill have to go through, for years. Why are we so squeamish about this?
      - basisword 5y ago
        I think it's impossible to compare these things accurately but women have been taking the pill for more than half a century. It's been proven to be relatively safe and reliable for most people. Something for men would be great but I'm certainly not going to risk future fertility with something that new and untested, particularly when my partner has a much more tested and safe alternative. On top of that, men have a very simple, effective, and safe option available - condoms. They have their own downsides but they don't outweigh the risk, pain, and anxiety of an injection in the scrotum.
      - bilbo0s 5y ago
        Huh? I would think that the pill, both the men's and the women's version, would be imminently more preferable to an injection any day of the week? Particularly injections which require preparatory injections to numb pain deemed to exceed acceptable FDA levels for humans. If there is a men's and women's version of a pill, and a men's and women's version of an injection, most men and women would choose the pill. That seems common sense to me, not squeamish-ness. This pill will garner infinitely many more users. (I mean, assuming it works I guess?)
micromacrofoot 5y ago
are the side effects really that much worse than what women have to deal with with their birth control? I’ve heard a lot of hormonal horror stories from women on the pill
- recuter 5y ago
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  - grapeskin 5y ago
    What? Any attempt to regulate or restrict birth control against women is consistently held up as the “patriarchy” because it restricts women’s autonomy. Now not restricting it is patriarchy? Seems like literally everything is. So far, men’s birth controls haven’t been legalized because the risks have been pretty massive. The last trial I heard of had a massive risk of suicide. “Patriarchy” has no part of it.
    - nicoburns 5y ago
      > The last trial I heard of had a massive risk of suicide. “Patriarchy” has no part of it. Existing birth control options for women also have high risk of mental health issues though. So people might reasonably question why were approved for women but not for men.
      - slothtrop 5y ago
        A not-insignificant demographic that takes the pill do so in part to regulate hormones to the extent that it alleviates menstrual pain. It's not just to prevent pregnancy.
    - recuter 5y ago
      If you were a true ally you would be more like Alex Hesse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yabNRlqCCk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yabNRlqCCk
collegeburner 5y ago
Yeah most AAS or SARMs makes good birth control. Downside is it often needs to be run with a test base (depending on what stack) and it can be very hard to get natural test production and fertility back to what they were after going off. PCT is often not pleasant and still may not get it all the way back. I have a few buddies who ended up on lifetime TRT in early to mid 20s doing this. Stuff like HCG can help but is more $ and hassle. There was also some research that suggested it may itself be suppressive over a long enough term, though I think that's no longer current. Bottom line: playing with the endocrine system is risky and not always reversible. I will likely not be taking a hormonal birth control untill I see a lot more longitudinal data.

pcthrowaway 5y ago

Vasalgel (a reversible injection that prevents your swimmers from making it into the sauce) is another interesting one that has never made it to release for perplexing reasons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_inhibition_of_sperm_under_guidance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_inhibition_of_sperm...

recuter 5y ago
This one requires two injections right into the most awkward bit of ye old twig and berries, the first to numb the pain from the second. Afterwards you walk around sore with a swollen scrotum for a week. Doesn't seem that perplexing. Unless you're into that sort of thing, not that there is anything wrong with that..
- pygy_ 5y ago
  Vasalgel (a.k.a. RISUG) may not be for everyone, but even 1% of the male population would be a gigantic market, and yet RISUG never found corporate backing (it's been around for 40 years). I've been waiting for this for more than 10 years now, ever since I've learned about it.
- burnoutgal 5y ago
  Have you ever read about what it's like to get an IUD inserted? I would recommend checking that out and then asking whether a small injection to the genitals is really the worst possibility.
  - recuter 5y ago
    I'm sure nothing could be worse. You're welcome to volunteer to get either procedure, both, or neither. I would recommend elective medical procedures stay optional.
    - CodeShmode 5y ago
      I've heard someone say the pain from inserting an IUD was so great they backed out halfway through the procedure.
      - recuter 5y ago
        An ex-gf of mine gently flicked my gonads once without warning, that was no picnic either. Luckily, just like an IUD, it isn't mandatory. Horses for courses.
- lwkl 5y ago
  IUDs are a thing for women and what you are describing sounds similar to the experience putting in or taking out an IUD is according to some women who described it to me. I don't know how long the injections last but if they last a similar time as IUDs. I think this would be acceptable. But maybe there aren't enough men that are willing to get birth control like this, to market this product. The incentive for women to take birth control is much higher after all.
  - david38 5y ago
    I have never known a woman to describe IUDs as anything like this.
igetspam 5y ago
Injections into the penis are probably a non starter for a lot of people. I had a vasectomy, so I don't have anything to worry about now but I'd choose a pill over a shot any day, no matter how frequent. Also, being able to stop taking a pill whenever I want is a benefit. Had I not already chosen a permanent path, I'd sign up for a trial today.
- DebtDeflation 5y ago
  >Injections into the penis Pass.
  - rpastuszak 5y ago
    This hardly compares to what women on the pill have to go through, for years. Why are we so squeamish about this?
    - basisword 5y ago
      I think it's impossible to compare these things accurately but women have been taking the pill for more than half a century. It's been proven to be relatively safe and reliable for most people. Something for men would be great but I'm certainly not going to risk future fertility with something that new and untested, particularly when my partner has a much more tested and safe alternative. On top of that, men have a very simple, effective, and safe option available - condoms. They have their own downsides but they don't outweigh the risk, pain, and anxiety of an injection in the scrotum.
    - bilbo0s 5y ago
      Huh? I would think that the pill, both the men's and the women's version, would be imminently more preferable to an injection any day of the week? Particularly injections which require preparatory injections to numb pain deemed to exceed acceptable FDA levels for humans. If there is a men's and women's version of a pill, and a men's and women's version of an injection, most men and women would choose the pill. That seems common sense to me, not squeamish-ness. This pill will garner infinitely many more users. (I mean, assuming it works I guess?)

micromacrofoot 5y ago

are the side effects really that much worse than what women have to deal with with their birth control? I’ve heard a lot of hormonal horror stories from women on the pill

recuter 5y ago
gidorah 5y ago
- grapeskin 5y ago
  What? Any attempt to regulate or restrict birth control against women is consistently held up as the “patriarchy” because it restricts women’s autonomy. Now not restricting it is patriarchy? Seems like literally everything is. So far, men’s birth controls haven’t been legalized because the risks have been pretty massive. The last trial I heard of had a massive risk of suicide. “Patriarchy” has no part of it.
  - nicoburns 5y ago
    > The last trial I heard of had a massive risk of suicide. “Patriarchy” has no part of it. Existing birth control options for women also have high risk of mental health issues though. So people might reasonably question why were approved for women but not for men.
    - slothtrop 5y ago
      A not-insignificant demographic that takes the pill do so in part to regulate hormones to the extent that it alleviates menstrual pain. It's not just to prevent pregnancy.
  - recuter 5y ago
    If you were a true ally you would be more like Alex Hesse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yabNRlqCCk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yabNRlqCCk

collegeburner 5y ago

Yeah most AAS or SARMs makes good birth control. Downside is it often needs to be run with a test base (depending on what stack) and it can be very hard to get natural test production and fertility back to what they were after going off. PCT is often not pleasant and still may not get it all the way back. I have a few buddies who ended up on lifetime TRT in early to mid 20s doing this. Stuff like HCG can help but is more $ and hassle. There was also some research that suggested it may itself be suppressive over a long enough term, though I think that's no longer current. Bottom line: playing with the endocrine system is risky and not always reversible. I will likely not be taking a hormonal birth control untill I see a lot more longitudinal data.