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> What do you think cloud storage is? Its not literally storing things in a "cloud"; a cloud is just someone elses computer. Yeah, of course, everyone knows t

> What do you think cloud storage is? Its not literally storing things in a "cloud"; a cloud is just someone elses computer. Yeah, of course, everyone knows this, no one thinks it's some magic storage. That's not what I'm talking about. The difference is in the interface on how you get your files to some place. With S3 you simply upload the file, and Amazon stores it for you. With Filecoin, it's simply a protocol that allows you to browse everyone who is compatible with the Filecoin protocol, then you make a deal, then you use that deal to upload files. It's like there are many operators like Amazon providing a S3 interface, but first you need to find one you like, then strike a deal. The workflow is vastly different.

bawolff 5y ago
Vs a cloud provider where there are many companies offering such services, you pick one you like, make a deal, and then upload your file via some standardized protocol (http, ftp, scp, etc) Not seeing the difference.
- chockchocschoir 5y ago
  "Making a deal" here refers to two people interacting in the terms of "Make a offer" -> Waiting time -> "Other party accepts offer" -> Waiting time -> "Upload files" while companies offering file storage is more like "Make subscription service people can sign up to" -> "Someone subscribes" -> "Upload files".
  - bawolff 5y ago
    Cloud services regularly make deals with customers. In fact it would be considered unusual for a non trivial customer to pay list price. The people who pay full cost are the customers who are so small that its not worth the cloud vendors time to care about.
    - chockchocschoir 5y ago
      Ok, if you don't realize the difference between subscribing to a service (S3) and making deals (Filecoin), then that's up to you. No one can say I didn't try. In the end, it doesn't even matter, people use whatever fits their use case, including you and me. I'll stick with subscribing to services, and you can continue striking deals, or whatever.
      - bawolff 5y ago
        I think you've never used cloud providers at scale. You don't just subscribe. You negotiate and haggle. Contracts exchange hands. Humans are involved on both sids. Its not like there is a fixed price you just pay.

bawolff 5y ago

Vs a cloud provider where there are many companies offering such services, you pick one you like, make a deal, and then upload your file via some standardized protocol (http, ftp, scp, etc) Not seeing the difference.

chockchocschoir 5y ago
"Making a deal" here refers to two people interacting in the terms of "Make a offer" -> Waiting time -> "Other party accepts offer" -> Waiting time -> "Upload files" while companies offering file storage is more like "Make subscription service people can sign up to" -> "Someone subscribes" -> "Upload files".
- bawolff 5y ago
  Cloud services regularly make deals with customers. In fact it would be considered unusual for a non trivial customer to pay list price. The people who pay full cost are the customers who are so small that its not worth the cloud vendors time to care about.
  - chockchocschoir 5y ago
    Ok, if you don't realize the difference between subscribing to a service (S3) and making deals (Filecoin), then that's up to you. No one can say I didn't try. In the end, it doesn't even matter, people use whatever fits their use case, including you and me. I'll stick with subscribing to services, and you can continue striking deals, or whatever.
    - bawolff 5y ago
      I think you've never used cloud providers at scale. You don't just subscribe. You negotiate and haggle. Contracts exchange hands. Humans are involved on both sids. Its not like there is a fixed price you just pay.