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Has it ever occurred to you that Azov Battalion is nothing more than an element of Russian disinformation campaign aimed at diluting facts and masking Kremlin’s

Has it ever occurred to you that Azov Battalion is nothing more than an element of Russian disinformation campaign aimed at diluting facts and masking Kremlin’s true intentions? The fact that there’s a nationalist movement in Ukraine should not be a surprise given the massacre in Feb 2014, annexation of Crimea, an 8-year war-by-proxy that followed, and now an outright invasion. Painting any desire at establishing a sense of unity and instilling pride as nazism is absurd.

unmole 5y ago
> Has it ever occurred to you that Azov Battalion is nothing more than an element of Russian disinformation campaign aimed at diluting facts and masking Kremlin’s true intentions? What are these, alternative facts? The US Congress was troubled enough by the Azov Battalion that aid to them was expressly prohibited way back in 2018. Is the US Congress a Russian front too?
inglor_cz 5y ago
Let me begin with the info that I am all for Ukraine and I hope Russia loses their war of aggression badly. Putin's regime is the closest that we have to the Third Reich and/or Stalin's USSR in Europe right now. But I still cannot help but notice how the Western sensibilities changed from "Punch a Nazi!" (in 2020, when most of those weren't even true Nazis) to "Let's not speak of those actual SS-symbol-sporting troops because they are fighting for the good cause now." Azov isn't representative of the entire Ukraine, no. That is Russian propaganda. It can be dissolved afterwards, yes. But they are on the far end of the far right, no mistake about that. Ukraine has a troubled history with its minorities, many of the guards in the extermination camps were Ukrainians, Polish minority was once targeted etc. People like Stepan Bandera should never be worshipped. If Ukraine is to join the EU in the future, Azov battalion must be disposed of, much like Irgun in early Israel was. Hopefully without any bloodshed, but their toying with SS symbols goes too far. Even Poland and the Czech Republic, quite staunch allies of Ukraine, wouldn't tolerate this kind of shit being carried openly in a fellow EU country once the war is over.
- stanito 5y ago
  I agree, brandishing SS symbols is misplaced and wrong by however few actually do it. Honestly, you opened my eyes a bit. Growing up in western Ukraine, my half-Polish family told stories of the Lviv pogroms and how numerous Ukrainians provided shelter for Jewish families and helped them hide but I never knew the extent of Ukrainian participation.
  - justsomehnguy 5y ago
    > I never knew the extent of Ukrainian participation ... and UPA[0] is just a resistance movement against Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia, right? It was "fun" to see UPA flags proudly flying in earlier videos in /r/CombatFootage. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army#Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army#Massa...
darthrupert 5y ago
That might be, but I find it extremely odd how pro-Ukraine subreddits keep showing videos of well-known neo-nazis as heroes.

unmole 5y ago

> Has it ever occurred to you that Azov Battalion is nothing more than an element of Russian disinformation campaign aimed at diluting facts and masking Kremlin’s true intentions? What are these, alternative facts? The US Congress was troubled enough by the Azov Battalion that aid to them was expressly prohibited way back in 2018. Is the US Congress a Russian front too?

inglor_cz 5y ago

Let me begin with the info that I am all for Ukraine and I hope Russia loses their war of aggression badly. Putin's regime is the closest that we have to the Third Reich and/or Stalin's USSR in Europe right now. But I still cannot help but notice how the Western sensibilities changed from "Punch a Nazi!" (in 2020, when most of those weren't even true Nazis) to "Let's not speak of those actual SS-symbol-sporting troops because they are fighting for the good cause now." Azov isn't representative of the entire Ukraine, no. That is Russian propaganda. It can be dissolved afterwards, yes. But they are on the far end of the far right, no mistake about that. Ukraine has a troubled history with its minorities, many of the guards in the extermination camps were Ukrainians, Polish minority was once targeted etc. People like Stepan Bandera should never be worshipped. If Ukraine is to join the EU in the future, Azov battalion must be disposed of, much like Irgun in early Israel was. Hopefully without any bloodshed, but their toying with SS symbols goes too far. Even Poland and the Czech Republic, quite staunch allies of Ukraine, wouldn't tolerate this kind of shit being carried openly in a fellow EU country once the war is over.

stanito 5y ago
I agree, brandishing SS symbols is misplaced and wrong by however few actually do it. Honestly, you opened my eyes a bit. Growing up in western Ukraine, my half-Polish family told stories of the Lviv pogroms and how numerous Ukrainians provided shelter for Jewish families and helped them hide but I never knew the extent of Ukrainian participation.
- justsomehnguy 5y ago
  > I never knew the extent of Ukrainian participation ... and UPA[0] is just a resistance movement against Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia, right? It was "fun" to see UPA flags proudly flying in earlier videos in /r/CombatFootage. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army#Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army#Massa...

darthrupert 5y ago

That might be, but I find it extremely odd how pro-Ukraine subreddits keep showing videos of well-known neo-nazis as heroes.