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Yes we have experienced many issues with Alpine too. Ubuntu with 25MB compressed is ok.

• hericium 5y ago
  Until it's not. Well working deb/apt is replaced by some self-sabotage called snap before up-to-date packages land there.
  • heavyset_go 5y ago
    Are people actually using Snap in containers? It feels like a convenience feature for desktop users.
    • ZiiS 5y ago
      They don't give you the choice. Applications are only avaliable as either a snap or an deb. With many you might want to containerise (ie Chromium for CI) being snaps. I dont belive they can work in unpriviledged docker containers.
      • yunohn 5y ago
        Which apps are you using via Docker, that are only available as a snap?
      • shaicoleman 5y ago
        There are Chromium debs for Ubuntu 20.04 available from the Linux Mint repo. To get it Chromium under docker, I'm using the following params: --headless --no-sandbox --disable-gpu --window-size=1920,1080 --disable-dev-shm-usage
      • heavyset_go 5y ago
        I understand that, it's just my impression with using Snap that it's used to ship desktop applications in a consistent way.
    • bigpod 5y ago
      you cannot use snap inside a docker or any other OCI container, first of all snap is a containerised package as well so it doesnt make much sense but what is more important it requires SystemD and as far as i know if systemd isnt PID 1 snap deamon wont run and its CLI will output it cant run.
  • paskozdilar 5y ago
    Snap is horrible. The software required for running a Snap Store instance is proprietary [0], and there are no free software implementations as far as I know. Also, the default client code hardcodes [1] Canonical snap store, so you have to patch and maintain your own version of snapd if you want to self-host. Snapd also hardcodes auto-updates that are also impossible to turn off without patching and maintaining your own version of snapd / blocking the outgoing connections to Canonical servers, so snapd is also horrible for server environments. To top that, the developers have this "I know what's good for you, you don't" attitude [2] that so much reminds me of You Know Who. [0] https://www.techrepublic.com/article/why-canonical-views-the-snap-ecosystem-as-a-compelling-distribution-agnostic-solution/ https://www.techrepublic.com/article/why-canonical-views-the... [1] https://www.happyassassin.net/posts/2016/06/16/on-snappy-and-flatpak-business-as-usual-in-the-canonical-propaganda-department/ https://www.happyassassin.net/posts/2016/06/16/on-snappy-and... [2] https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/disabling-automatic-refresh-for-snap-from-store/707 https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/disabling-automatic-refresh-for...
    • paskozdilar 5y ago
      That being said, I was wondering how many people actually find the Snap system and ecosystem useful. Reverse engineering snapd (which is licensed under GPLv3) and snap app format in order to create a compatible server would be a fun project.
    • dontcare007 5y ago
      So,another systemd in the making... how long until snap takes over dns resolution...
      • paskozdilar 5y ago
        Say what you want about systemd, but it is still Free Software.
    • johnisgood 5y ago
      Yep. I am trying my best to boycott Canonical and their closed source Snap which is akin to Apple Store or Play Store, but for desktop... for... LINUX. Goes against the philosophy in every way imaginable.
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