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Further: see ‘raw water’. As far as I can tell it’s mostly high income earners who fall for these fads, outside of those stuck in the wilderness without treate

by mc32 5y ago

Further: see ‘raw water’. As far as I can tell it’s mostly high income earners who fall for these fads, outside of those stuck in the wilderness without treated water. It defies logic.

viraptor 5y ago
And if your want to see full crazy, check https://old.reddit.com/r/RawMeat/ https://old.reddit.com/r/RawMeat/ > Vomit, diarrhea, coughing, sneezing, sweating, are all ways that the body expels toxins.
- RealityVoid 5y ago
  Technically, at least vomit, really is a self protection mechanism of the body.
  - Thiez 5y ago
    But the only 'toxins' it can get rid of are those you recently consumed, not the vague and unspecified toxins that the diet people claim build up in your body and must be purged.
- mc32 5y ago
  It's taken us hundreds of thousands of years to achieve the benefits of civilization and to have people illogically throw all that out. It's mazing.
- andi999 5y ago
  What is wrong with raw meat? Here you can buy raw minced pork for direct consumption (on bread rolls) almost everywhere. Why should ppl get sick from that?
  - jamiek88 5y ago
    That’s all they eat. Just raw meat.
    - andi999 5y ago
      I agree. I had a look at the reddit, yes there is something wrong with them.
  - b112 5y ago
    Raw pork meat is not fine, as pork can have many worms, and other things, humans can catch. Cooking kills these things. People eat raw eggs in North America, but that's safe because of antibiotics in chicken feed. Salmonella can kill. Beef is safer, which is why you only need char the outside to be safe.
    - SapporoChris 5y ago
      Salmonella outbreaks in USA are fairly commonly reported by the CDC. I was able to quickly find three listings for salmonella in eggs. July 26, 2018 https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/braenderup-04-18/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/braenderup-04-18/index.html November 9, 2016 https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/oranienburg-10-16/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/oranienburg-10-16/index.html December 2, 2010 https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/2010/shell-eggs-12-2-10.html https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/2010/shell-eggs-12-2-10.html Regarding ground beef https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/ehs/ehsnet/plain_language/restaurants-ground-beef-handling-cooking.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/ehs/ehsnet/plain_language/restauran... Grilling various meats https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/communication/bbq-iq.html https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/communication/bbq-iq.html Both of these go far beyond just char the outside to be safe.
      - b112 5y ago
        A few points here. * people getting samonella from eggs, when those eggs are cooked, has no bearing on my statements about antibiotics in feed, and the safety of raw eggs vs cooked. If you follow the first link, including going to the FDA, you will see the company responsible for the outbreak was sent a letter, and finally forced closed, as they were not folllowing safe egg handling guidelines. Samonella can appear in the yolk, which is why antibiotics in chicken feed in North America. However salmonella can be anywhere, such as in the nest where the hen lays, or 100 other contact surfaces, which is why you should always wash your eggs with soap and water before cracking. Bets are, the company with the recall and forced close, was not doing so. So again, to reiterate, cooking or not is not relevant to your link / data. * You show ground beef in one link, and cooking guidance in another. Ground beef invalidates "charring the outside", for one has ground up the meat, thus mixing all the bacteria on the outside of a cut of beef, throughout the meat. Always cook ground beef throughout. If you hunt around, you will find safe guidelines for a cut of beef, which does not require cooking to 75C or what not, all through, to be safe. One cavaet here... Some cuts of beef are not as tender, so grocery stores will tenderize them with a mincing tool. This is basically a tool which creates small slices in the cut, and again, is pushing the bacteria into the interior of te beef. For this reason, one must then cook to safe temps inside. Lamb and beef do not have parasites we known of, in their flesh, as pork and chicken do. This is why chicken and pork require more stringent cooking instructions....
- tsimionescu 5y ago
  That's not even close to full crazy. In Romania there was a somewhat famous lifestly guru who advocates for this type of all natural lifestyle, in an all-vegan variant (Olivia Steer). She was asked by a follower who wanted to get pregnant but was no longer menstruating after following her advice whether she should change her diet or try some medication. The response was along the lines of "No, no, no! The fact that you're no longer menstruating is proof that you are now rid of toxins! Menses are simply the body eliminating toxins. Just keep trying to conceive, and try some <herbal tea> if you're still having trouble". To be clear, this is coming from a 30 year old woman with two children of her own...

by mc32 5y ago

Further: see ‘raw water’. As far as I can tell it’s mostly high income earners who fall for these fads, outside of those stuck in the wilderness without treated water. It defies logic.

viraptor 5y ago

And if your want to see full crazy, check https://old.reddit.com/r/RawMeat/ https://old.reddit.com/r/RawMeat/ > Vomit, diarrhea, coughing, sneezing, sweating, are all ways that the body expels toxins.

RealityVoid 5y ago
Technically, at least vomit, really is a self protection mechanism of the body.
- Thiez 5y ago
  But the only 'toxins' it can get rid of are those you recently consumed, not the vague and unspecified toxins that the diet people claim build up in your body and must be purged.
mc32 5y ago
It's taken us hundreds of thousands of years to achieve the benefits of civilization and to have people illogically throw all that out. It's mazing.
andi999 5y ago
What is wrong with raw meat? Here you can buy raw minced pork for direct consumption (on bread rolls) almost everywhere. Why should ppl get sick from that?
- jamiek88 5y ago
  That’s all they eat. Just raw meat.
  - andi999 5y ago
    I agree. I had a look at the reddit, yes there is something wrong with them.
- b112 5y ago
  Raw pork meat is not fine, as pork can have many worms, and other things, humans can catch. Cooking kills these things. People eat raw eggs in North America, but that's safe because of antibiotics in chicken feed. Salmonella can kill. Beef is safer, which is why you only need char the outside to be safe.
  - SapporoChris 5y ago
    Salmonella outbreaks in USA are fairly commonly reported by the CDC. I was able to quickly find three listings for salmonella in eggs. July 26, 2018 https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/braenderup-04-18/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/braenderup-04-18/index.html November 9, 2016 https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/oranienburg-10-16/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/oranienburg-10-16/index.html December 2, 2010 https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/2010/shell-eggs-12-2-10.html https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/2010/shell-eggs-12-2-10.html Regarding ground beef https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/ehs/ehsnet/plain_language/restaurants-ground-beef-handling-cooking.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/ehs/ehsnet/plain_language/restauran... Grilling various meats https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/communication/bbq-iq.html https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/communication/bbq-iq.html Both of these go far beyond just char the outside to be safe.
    - b112 5y ago
      A few points here. * people getting samonella from eggs, when those eggs are cooked, has no bearing on my statements about antibiotics in feed, and the safety of raw eggs vs cooked. If you follow the first link, including going to the FDA, you will see the company responsible for the outbreak was sent a letter, and finally forced closed, as they were not folllowing safe egg handling guidelines. Samonella can appear in the yolk, which is why antibiotics in chicken feed in North America. However salmonella can be anywhere, such as in the nest where the hen lays, or 100 other contact surfaces, which is why you should always wash your eggs with soap and water before cracking. Bets are, the company with the recall and forced close, was not doing so. So again, to reiterate, cooking or not is not relevant to your link / data. * You show ground beef in one link, and cooking guidance in another. Ground beef invalidates "charring the outside", for one has ground up the meat, thus mixing all the bacteria on the outside of a cut of beef, throughout the meat. Always cook ground beef throughout. If you hunt around, you will find safe guidelines for a cut of beef, which does not require cooking to 75C or what not, all through, to be safe. One cavaet here... Some cuts of beef are not as tender, so grocery stores will tenderize them with a mincing tool. This is basically a tool which creates small slices in the cut, and again, is pushing the bacteria into the interior of te beef. For this reason, one must then cook to safe temps inside. Lamb and beef do not have parasites we known of, in their flesh, as pork and chicken do. This is why chicken and pork require more stringent cooking instructions....
tsimionescu 5y ago
That's not even close to full crazy. In Romania there was a somewhat famous lifestly guru who advocates for this type of all natural lifestyle, in an all-vegan variant (Olivia Steer). She was asked by a follower who wanted to get pregnant but was no longer menstruating after following her advice whether she should change her diet or try some medication. The response was along the lines of "No, no, no! The fact that you're no longer menstruating is proof that you are now rid of toxins! Menses are simply the body eliminating toxins. Just keep trying to conceive, and try some <herbal tea> if you're still having trouble". To be clear, this is coming from a 30 year old woman with two children of her own...