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That's what Python2.7 is and why every major proprietary product won't adopt anything else. It's also why it won't go away. All of my Python 2.6-2.7 scripts h

That's what Python2.7 is and why every major proprietary product won't adopt anything else. It's also why it won't go away. All of my Python 2.6-2.7 scripts haven't been touched in 10 years in production and they aren't likely to ever be updated. I actually now refuse to write new Python that isn't compatible with both 2&3 for this reason. Python3 refuses to stabilize.

fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
I’ve been slowly embracing the mantra “only use unmaintained software”: maintenance is great when it’s fixing bugs and such, but eventually people insist on breaking backwards compatibility.
- Brian_K_White 5y ago
  That is a captivating idea!
- kafkaIncarnate 5y ago
  Python2.7 is still maintained. If you mean my software I mentioned if something breaks I'm still required to fix it. I just doubt that will happen at this point and have other tasks to do.
  - fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
    Isn’t Python 2.7 EOL as of January 2020 or something? It’s maintained in the sense that there are still people shipping patches, but the core Python developers no longer maintain it.
    - kafkaIncarnate 5y ago
      That is news to me, and good to know. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/python-27-reaches-end-of-life-after-20-years-of-development/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/python-27-rea... Apparently RHEL will maintain any security problems until 2024, but yeah it's pretty much dead. Huh. Not sure how to react to that.
laserlight 5y ago
> It's also why it won't go away. Python 2 went away in macOS. Bash still exists.
- pmags 5y ago
  Did it really? `/usr/bin/python` invokes Python 2.7.18 on my just-bought Macbook Pro 14 running MacOS 12.2. Maybe that's because I installed the Xcode command line tools?
  - laserlight 5y ago
    IIRC, Apple announced that Python 2 will be removed in a future version of macOS, without specifying a version. Looks like they removed it in macOS 12.3 [0]. [0] https://www.macrumors.com/2022/01/28/apple-removing-python-2-in-macos-12-3/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/01/28/apple-removing-python-2...
- kafkaIncarnate 5y ago
  https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-2718/ https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-2718/ There's still a macOS installer for the latest release of Python2.7 (4/20/2020).
  - laserlight 5y ago
    The discussion was around longevity, and Python 2 is dead as of January 2020 [0]. Installer might exist, but it has already become more difficult to maintain Python 2. It will become even more difficult in time. Bash, on the other hand, will more likely to be around for longer. [0] Sunsetting Python 2. https://www.python.org/doc/sunset-python-2/ https://www.python.org/doc/sunset-python-2/

fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago

I’ve been slowly embracing the mantra “only use unmaintained software”: maintenance is great when it’s fixing bugs and such, but eventually people insist on breaking backwards compatibility.

Brian_K_White 5y ago
That is a captivating idea!
kafkaIncarnate 5y ago
Python2.7 is still maintained. If you mean my software I mentioned if something breaks I'm still required to fix it. I just doubt that will happen at this point and have other tasks to do.
- fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
  Isn’t Python 2.7 EOL as of January 2020 or something? It’s maintained in the sense that there are still people shipping patches, but the core Python developers no longer maintain it.
  - kafkaIncarnate 5y ago
    That is news to me, and good to know. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/python-27-reaches-end-of-life-after-20-years-of-development/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/python-27-rea... Apparently RHEL will maintain any security problems until 2024, but yeah it's pretty much dead. Huh. Not sure how to react to that.

laserlight 5y ago

> It's also why it won't go away. Python 2 went away in macOS. Bash still exists.

pmags 5y ago
Did it really? `/usr/bin/python` invokes Python 2.7.18 on my just-bought Macbook Pro 14 running MacOS 12.2. Maybe that's because I installed the Xcode command line tools?
- laserlight 5y ago
  IIRC, Apple announced that Python 2 will be removed in a future version of macOS, without specifying a version. Looks like they removed it in macOS 12.3 [0]. [0] https://www.macrumors.com/2022/01/28/apple-removing-python-2-in-macos-12-3/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/01/28/apple-removing-python-2...
kafkaIncarnate 5y ago
https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-2718/ https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-2718/ There's still a macOS installer for the latest release of Python2.7 (4/20/2020).
- laserlight 5y ago
  The discussion was around longevity, and Python 2 is dead as of January 2020 [0]. Installer might exist, but it has already become more difficult to maintain Python 2. It will become even more difficult in time. Bash, on the other hand, will more likely to be around for longer. [0] Sunsetting Python 2. https://www.python.org/doc/sunset-python-2/ https://www.python.org/doc/sunset-python-2/