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Honestly, I suspect this kind of thing happens as a result of a diet devoid of microbial life and non-denatured proteins. I used to get not full on sick, but p

Honestly, I suspect this kind of thing happens as a result of a diet devoid of microbial life and non-denatured proteins. I used to get not full on sick, but pretty sick after eating raw or partially raw meat. You may think it's crazy, but I just continued doing it and eventually stopped getting diarrhea and cramps. David Blaine (I think) talked about a similar effect from when he practiced swallowing live frogs. He got sick initially (not gag reflex but something akin to food poisoning) but quickly built up a tolerance. Maybe these guys did get sick in some way that is beyond a reasonable risk tolerance. I don't know. I just think Americans in particular are weird about their food and simultaneously germophobic so they end up eating a certain kind of diet. Getting sick when eating food that isn't totally cooked may not necessarily mean danger but that the body isn't acclimated to the particular food.

tebura 5y ago
yet there is huge difference. Milk is still easy to digest than meat. You can't compare both. https://www.rawmilkinstitute.org/updates/letter-to-medical-professionals-about-raw-milk https://www.rawmilkinstitute.org/updates/letter-to-medical-p...
DHPersonal 5y ago
Sensitivities do not always decrease with exposure, so I’m not sure if I’d advocate getting ill frequently with the expectation of improvement.
- audiometry 5y ago
  That’s definitely true for me at least for chili peppers. In fact I think my reaction has worsened over time even after decreasing exposure to them. Such a pity—makes food taste so good.
  - nomilk 5y ago
    Another example is Fijian 'kava' (a root that is crushed and dried into a powder, then filtered into water and consumed as a drink). It has a reverse tolerance: those who consume it more frequently typically get more affected by it, and those who've had little before may not feel any effect.
    - markdown 5y ago
      Always a delight to see kava being discussed in unexpected places. Say bula at r/kava!
- Brian_K_White 5y ago
  No one is talking about alergies, just life. Relax. Get dirty.
- heavyset_go 5y ago
  Sometimes they get worse, too, like with cat allergies.
elhudy 5y ago
100% agreed. If I have been eating junk food for a week or so and even have so much as a kombucha I’ll have major stomach issues. We certainly adapt to high pro-biotic diets, and it would be interesting to learn about the mechanism for such a phenomenon.
throwawaylinux 5y ago
Why were you eating raw meat, may I ask?
- spyder 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steak_tartare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steak_tartare
  - petre 5y ago
    One could still freeze it like sushi fish to get rid of at least some of the pathogens.
    - zamfi 5y ago
      One would think so, but it turns out, not really — the big concern in sushi fish is usually parasitic worms (like anisakiasis), which are live multicellular organisms that don’t survive freezing. In chicken, beef, and pork, the concern is typically bacteria (like salmonella, and e. coli) or parasite cysts (like trichinosis), which are not killed by freezing.
- Brian_K_White 5y ago
  Not even counting sushi which is wonderful, I don't know about most meats but raw beef at least is perfectly nice.
- bryans 5y ago
  Steak is most often prepared rare or medium-rare. Rare means raw in the middle, as that portion has not been altered by heat, hence the disclaimer on restaurant menus about undercooked foods.
- MrJohz 5y ago
  Steak is the classic option in American cuisine, but in Germany (and some other countries), raw mince is a sandwich topping that you can buy from the butcher (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mett https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mett). Obviously you've got to eat it fresh, but it's not all that bad.
jacobolus 5y ago
Similarly, I grew up spending most of the year in California but summers in southern Mexico, and the first week or two of every summer was an acclimation period of intestinal distress. (This is despite never drinking unboiled tap water. There are just different microbes floating around in the environment.) On the other hand, some of the pathogens you can get from raw milk (or insufficiently treated water) can be extremely unpleasant/dangerous and there’s no sure guarantee you’ll get used to them.
- markdown 5y ago
  Delhi belly.
inopinatus 5y ago
Do you want shorter average lifespans? This is how you get them. By ignoring advances in things like food safety. > I used to get not full on sick, but pretty sick after eating raw or partially raw meat. You may think it's crazy, but I just continued doing it and eventually stopped getting diarrhea and cramps. This kills some people. Health advice isn't about you, it's about everyone. See also: wearing a mask during a pandemic.
- markdown 5y ago
  What a first-world take. And not just a first-world take, but a city-slicker first-world take. Auto-immune diseases and allergies are killing people and ruining lives. A little bit of bacteria doesn't hurt.
  - bremac 5y ago
    As someone who grew up on a dairy farm, who worked on a farm, and who has friends and family operating their own farms, I'd like to point out that this is backwards. Farmers know that bacteria can make them sick or even kill them. It's the city-slickers who have never been truly ill who think that they're harmless.
  - jrmg 5y ago
    Current, modern day humans live longer, healthier lives than any who have ever lived before.
  - tsimionescu 5y ago
    Auto-immune diseases and allergies are nowhere even slightly near as big a problem as dysentery and other food borne illnesses used to be. There are far more people who died of TB from contaminated milk alone than people dieing of allergies. It's true that other aspects of improved care have also reduced the risk from food borne illnesses - antibiotics, clean water, IV rehydration and others.
- ravenstine 5y ago
  > Health advice isn't about you, it's about everyone. See also: wearing a mask during a pandemic. That's not even remotely comparable. If someone else could die from drinking raw milk, what business is it of theirs that I choose to drink gallons of it and live to tell the tale? The whole point of the legalization is to legalize the consumption. Did you read the article?
floodyberry- 5y ago
"sure you might get pretty sick, but if you power through the diarrhea and cramps you can enjoy the benefits of getting some serious food poisoning" I can't believe you're giving away this advice for free

tebura 5y ago

yet there is huge difference. Milk is still easy to digest than meat. You can't compare both. https://www.rawmilkinstitute.org/updates/letter-to-medical-professionals-about-raw-milk https://www.rawmilkinstitute.org/updates/letter-to-medical-p...

DHPersonal 5y ago

Sensitivities do not always decrease with exposure, so I’m not sure if I’d advocate getting ill frequently with the expectation of improvement.

audiometry 5y ago
That’s definitely true for me at least for chili peppers. In fact I think my reaction has worsened over time even after decreasing exposure to them. Such a pity—makes food taste so good.
- nomilk 5y ago
  Another example is Fijian 'kava' (a root that is crushed and dried into a powder, then filtered into water and consumed as a drink). It has a reverse tolerance: those who consume it more frequently typically get more affected by it, and those who've had little before may not feel any effect.
  - markdown 5y ago
    Always a delight to see kava being discussed in unexpected places. Say bula at r/kava!
Brian_K_White 5y ago
No one is talking about alergies, just life. Relax. Get dirty.
heavyset_go 5y ago
Sometimes they get worse, too, like with cat allergies.

elhudy 5y ago

100% agreed. If I have been eating junk food for a week or so and even have so much as a kombucha I’ll have major stomach issues. We certainly adapt to high pro-biotic diets, and it would be interesting to learn about the mechanism for such a phenomenon.

throwawaylinux 5y ago

Why were you eating raw meat, may I ask?

spyder 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steak_tartare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steak_tartare
- petre 5y ago
  One could still freeze it like sushi fish to get rid of at least some of the pathogens.
  - zamfi 5y ago
    One would think so, but it turns out, not really — the big concern in sushi fish is usually parasitic worms (like anisakiasis), which are live multicellular organisms that don’t survive freezing. In chicken, beef, and pork, the concern is typically bacteria (like salmonella, and e. coli) or parasite cysts (like trichinosis), which are not killed by freezing.
Brian_K_White 5y ago
Not even counting sushi which is wonderful, I don't know about most meats but raw beef at least is perfectly nice.
bryans 5y ago
Steak is most often prepared rare or medium-rare. Rare means raw in the middle, as that portion has not been altered by heat, hence the disclaimer on restaurant menus about undercooked foods.
MrJohz 5y ago
Steak is the classic option in American cuisine, but in Germany (and some other countries), raw mince is a sandwich topping that you can buy from the butcher (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mett https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mett). Obviously you've got to eat it fresh, but it's not all that bad.

jacobolus 5y ago

Similarly, I grew up spending most of the year in California but summers in southern Mexico, and the first week or two of every summer was an acclimation period of intestinal distress. (This is despite never drinking unboiled tap water. There are just different microbes floating around in the environment.) On the other hand, some of the pathogens you can get from raw milk (or insufficiently treated water) can be extremely unpleasant/dangerous and there’s no sure guarantee you’ll get used to them.

markdown 5y ago
Delhi belly.

inopinatus 5y ago

Do you want shorter average lifespans? This is how you get them. By ignoring advances in things like food safety. > I used to get not full on sick, but pretty sick after eating raw or partially raw meat. You may think it's crazy, but I just continued doing it and eventually stopped getting diarrhea and cramps. This kills some people. Health advice isn't about you, it's about everyone. See also: wearing a mask during a pandemic.

markdown 5y ago
What a first-world take. And not just a first-world take, but a city-slicker first-world take. Auto-immune diseases and allergies are killing people and ruining lives. A little bit of bacteria doesn't hurt.
- bremac 5y ago
  As someone who grew up on a dairy farm, who worked on a farm, and who has friends and family operating their own farms, I'd like to point out that this is backwards. Farmers know that bacteria can make them sick or even kill them. It's the city-slickers who have never been truly ill who think that they're harmless.
- jrmg 5y ago
  Current, modern day humans live longer, healthier lives than any who have ever lived before.
- tsimionescu 5y ago
  Auto-immune diseases and allergies are nowhere even slightly near as big a problem as dysentery and other food borne illnesses used to be. There are far more people who died of TB from contaminated milk alone than people dieing of allergies. It's true that other aspects of improved care have also reduced the risk from food borne illnesses - antibiotics, clean water, IV rehydration and others.
ravenstine 5y ago
> Health advice isn't about you, it's about everyone. See also: wearing a mask during a pandemic. That's not even remotely comparable. If someone else could die from drinking raw milk, what business is it of theirs that I choose to drink gallons of it and live to tell the tale? The whole point of the legalization is to legalize the consumption. Did you read the article?

floodyberry- 5y ago

"sure you might get pretty sick, but if you power through the diarrhea and cramps you can enjoy the benefits of getting some serious food poisoning" I can't believe you're giving away this advice for free