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> a bill that makes it legal to drink (but not sell) Woah it was illegal to drink! Even if you produced it from your own cow/goat etc? Personally I have no de

> a bill that makes it legal to drink (but not sell) Woah it was illegal to drink! Even if you produced it from your own cow/goat etc? Personally I have no desired to drink raw milk, but I do hope raw milk cheese becomes more common/legal in the US.

changoplatanero 5y ago
I visited a friends parents out in the country once and they served us raw milk. “Isn’t that illegal?” I asked. They said that it’s illegal to sell it but that they pick it up at an unmanned stand where there is free milk and a jar where people can leave “donations”.
- seiferteric 5y ago
  I thought that's how it is here in CA as well, that's why I was surprised to see the article said otherwise in a state in the south no less. But maybe the article was mistaken.
- sbierwagen 5y ago
  >unmanned And unrefrigerated? I assume raw milk does not instantly spoil at room temperature, otherwise human history would look very different, but it can't last long in direct sunlight.
  - tsimionescu 5y ago
    People didn't drink raw milk too much - cheese, butter, cream and other milk products that happen to kill commonly dangerous bacteria in the milk exist since antiquity if not earlier. Also, even contaminated milk isn't a guaranteed kill - just like civilization survived cities drinking their own sewage water, it can survive drinking spoiled milk. Many will die, but nowhere near enough to stop humanity in our tracks.
  - sbierwagen 5y ago
    I can't edit it anymore and I'm tired of seeing this stupid comment in my history so I'm replying to myself say that obviously the milk would be in a cooler or icebox. I'm not sure why I thought a refrigerator was the only way to keep food cold.
victor22 5y ago
The land of the free*! *please consult our book of rules. You may be charged, caged or neutralized at any time by one of the Peace Enforcers if found to be uncompliant.
throw3e4323 5y ago
That’s not surprising considering there are plants that are illegal.
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- varajelle 5y ago
  I guess it's the same as mendatory vaccine. You are not allowed to risk your own sickness because of the cost to the healthcare system otherwise? Yet... Tobacco and alcohol is no problem... Kind of contradicting, but ok.
folli 5y ago
You can't compare raw milk to (properly produced) raw milk cheese. For cheese fermentation, you inoculate non-pathogenic (and even beneficial) bacterial strains in the milk that overgrow and outcompete pathogenic bacteria. That's actually the reason why cheese (and yogurt for that matter) exists at all, it's an invention that allowed longer storage of milk. Same for other types of fermentation, such as sausages, kimchi, beer...
- tarsinge 5y ago
  Yup, also raw milk cheese keep these properties afterwards, it's a living product, whereas pasteurized milk cheese is more fragile because pathogenic bacteria have no competition in case of later contamination. In France we joke raw milk cheese is good to eat until it starts moving by itself (and even then it's gross but would probably be safe). But I would never drink raw milk.

changoplatanero 5y ago

I visited a friends parents out in the country once and they served us raw milk. “Isn’t that illegal?” I asked. They said that it’s illegal to sell it but that they pick it up at an unmanned stand where there is free milk and a jar where people can leave “donations”.

seiferteric 5y ago
I thought that's how it is here in CA as well, that's why I was surprised to see the article said otherwise in a state in the south no less. But maybe the article was mistaken.
sbierwagen 5y ago
>unmanned And unrefrigerated? I assume raw milk does not instantly spoil at room temperature, otherwise human history would look very different, but it can't last long in direct sunlight.
- tsimionescu 5y ago
  People didn't drink raw milk too much - cheese, butter, cream and other milk products that happen to kill commonly dangerous bacteria in the milk exist since antiquity if not earlier. Also, even contaminated milk isn't a guaranteed kill - just like civilization survived cities drinking their own sewage water, it can survive drinking spoiled milk. Many will die, but nowhere near enough to stop humanity in our tracks.
- sbierwagen 5y ago
  I can't edit it anymore and I'm tired of seeing this stupid comment in my history so I'm replying to myself say that obviously the milk would be in a cooler or icebox. I'm not sure why I thought a refrigerator was the only way to keep food cold.

victor22 5y ago

The land of the free*! *please consult our book of rules. You may be charged, caged or neutralized at any time by one of the Peace Enforcers if found to be uncompliant.

throw3e4323 5y ago

That’s not surprising considering there are plants that are illegal.

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varajelle 5y ago
I guess it's the same as mendatory vaccine. You are not allowed to risk your own sickness because of the cost to the healthcare system otherwise? Yet... Tobacco and alcohol is no problem... Kind of contradicting, but ok.

folli 5y ago

You can't compare raw milk to (properly produced) raw milk cheese. For cheese fermentation, you inoculate non-pathogenic (and even beneficial) bacterial strains in the milk that overgrow and outcompete pathogenic bacteria. That's actually the reason why cheese (and yogurt for that matter) exists at all, it's an invention that allowed longer storage of milk. Same for other types of fermentation, such as sausages, kimchi, beer...

tarsinge 5y ago
Yup, also raw milk cheese keep these properties afterwards, it's a living product, whereas pasteurized milk cheese is more fragile because pathogenic bacteria have no competition in case of later contamination. In France we joke raw milk cheese is good to eat until it starts moving by itself (and even then it's gross but would probably be safe). But I would never drink raw milk.