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"They work on their kitchen counter on the 13" laptop screen on a hard stool... They work while the maid is doing the vacuum cleaning." Thats not the case for

"They work on their kitchen counter on the 13" laptop screen on a hard stool... They work while the maid is doing the vacuum cleaning." Thats not the case for any of 20 friends and coleaguea I know. Every colleague I know (not counting interns, etc) has a equal or better setup than what we get in the office, from display to office chair. I can understand how this was an issue early in the pandemic, when change was sudden. I can also understand how this could be an issue for some junior staff, who aren't paid enough to rent a home with enough space. However if we are talking well-paid bracket, working from home is cheaper than commuting, dining, etc. Especially if they can afford a maid. It is fundamentally idiotic and wastefull to move millions of people every day into the office and then back out, through traffic jams, wasting resources, causing pollution and deaths through accidents. So much for capitalism being efficient.

hedora 5y ago
Even for the junior ones, rule of thumb is that employees cost 2x their salaries on average. Other than taxes, most of that is mostly fixed cost (desk, insurance, hr paper shuffling). Companies could pay junior staff significantly more if they eliminated facilitates costs and in-office perks for those employees. I'd wager that upgrading from an N bedroom to an N+1 bedroom apartment would be much cheaper than providing an office for the vast majority of junior employees.
- IMTDb 5y ago
  > Companies could pay junior staff significantly more if they eliminated facilitates costs and in-office perks for those employees. Those number seem weird to me. In my company, the office space amounts to roughly 10 to 15% of the wage cost. IE: if we completely cut offices, and replaced it with absolutely nothing, we could only afford to offer a one time 10% salary bump across the board. This is less that the average yearly salary bump we have offered on average over the past 5 years. This means that we could give a one year "leap" in salaires if we moved to fully remote, forever, assuming that fully remote has absolutely 0 cost (which is not true). > I'd wager that upgrading from an N bedroom to an N+1 bedroom apartment would be much cheaper than providing an office for the vast majority of junior employees You are saying that you think it's more expensive to have an office space able to accommodate 50 workers, rather than paying for the difference in rent between an N bedroom and an N+1 bedroom for 50 families ? Again, this does not really match my perception of the real estate market.
  - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
    > 15%... This is less that the average yearly salary bump we have offered on average over the past 5 years. Where do you work wgere salaries grow exponentially? Certainly jot the case for most dev jobs in uk

hedora 5y ago

Even for the junior ones, rule of thumb is that employees cost 2x their salaries on average. Other than taxes, most of that is mostly fixed cost (desk, insurance, hr paper shuffling). Companies could pay junior staff significantly more if they eliminated facilitates costs and in-office perks for those employees. I'd wager that upgrading from an N bedroom to an N+1 bedroom apartment would be much cheaper than providing an office for the vast majority of junior employees.

IMTDb 5y ago
> Companies could pay junior staff significantly more if they eliminated facilitates costs and in-office perks for those employees. Those number seem weird to me. In my company, the office space amounts to roughly 10 to 15% of the wage cost. IE: if we completely cut offices, and replaced it with absolutely nothing, we could only afford to offer a one time 10% salary bump across the board. This is less that the average yearly salary bump we have offered on average over the past 5 years. This means that we could give a one year "leap" in salaires if we moved to fully remote, forever, assuming that fully remote has absolutely 0 cost (which is not true). > I'd wager that upgrading from an N bedroom to an N+1 bedroom apartment would be much cheaper than providing an office for the vast majority of junior employees You are saying that you think it's more expensive to have an office space able to accommodate 50 workers, rather than paying for the difference in rent between an N bedroom and an N+1 bedroom for 50 families ? Again, this does not really match my perception of the real estate market.
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  > 15%... This is less that the average yearly salary bump we have offered on average over the past 5 years. Where do you work wgere salaries grow exponentially? Certainly jot the case for most dev jobs in uk