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The Marriage of Julian Assange

47 points by jashkenas 5y ago

2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
Is he looking forward to his honeymoon in America?
- telesilla 5y ago
  Did you read the article and agree or disagree with the contents?
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
    Yes.
    - gutitout 5y ago
      So no.
Imnimo 5y ago
>Julian is not a US citizen. WikiLeaks is not a US-based publication. And yet he is charged, under the US Espionage Act, with treason. Is that actually true? I didn't think Assange was charged with treason. Is the author just using the term figuratively, or have I misunderstood the charges?
- subroutine 5y ago
  Treason is the wrong word. However, you don't need to be a US citizen to be charged under the Espionage Act. https://www.rcfp.org/may-2019-assange-indictment-analysis/ https://www.rcfp.org/may-2019-assange-indictment-analysis/
conz 5y ago
Disturbingly for a forum which is constituted of Assange-like-minded hackers and cypherphreaks, the anger shown towards him on here is always surprising, no small thanks to the work done on Assange by his enemies. For anyone who's not read this already, I've found the following to be the most eye-opening analysis of how Assange came to be framed as a more divisive figure than he actually is: > «A murderous system is being created before our very eyes» A made-up rape allegation and fabricated evidence in Sweden, pressure from the UK not to drop the case, a biased judge, detention in a maximum security prison, psychological torture – and soon extradition to the U.S., where he could face up to 175 years in prison for exposing war crimes. For the first time, the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture, Nils Melzer, speaks in detail about the explosive findings of his investigation into the case of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange. https://www.republik.ch/2020/01/31/nils-melzer-about-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange https://www.republik.ch/2020/01/31/nils-melzer-about-wikilea...
- sschueller 5y ago
  They started to go after Nils Meltzer as well which is extremely discusting. The US should be very careful when calling for war crimes prosecutions against Russia as it may eventually shine a light back at then reminding the rest of the world that the US is not part of the ICC and even has a law to pull any American facing prosecution out by force if necessary.
  - hulitu 5y ago
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > The US should be very careful when calling for war crimes prosecutions against Russia The US has not called for international war crimes prosecutions against Russians, which, even within the ICC system, are a backstop against failure of the criminals own country and those where the offense happened and any others which might have direct jurisdiction to have the ability and will to take action. It hasn't even called for war crimes prosecutions of any kind. It has described it's conclusion that Russia has committed war crimes, which is not the same as either of the above things, in the context of promoting the urgency of stopping the campaign in which they have done so so as to deny them the opportunity to commit more.

47 points by jashkenas 5y ago

2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago

Is he looking forward to his honeymoon in America?

telesilla 5y ago
Did you read the article and agree or disagree with the contents?
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
  Yes.
  - gutitout 5y ago
    So no.

Imnimo 5y ago

>Julian is not a US citizen. WikiLeaks is not a US-based publication. And yet he is charged, under the US Espionage Act, with treason. Is that actually true? I didn't think Assange was charged with treason. Is the author just using the term figuratively, or have I misunderstood the charges?

subroutine 5y ago
Treason is the wrong word. However, you don't need to be a US citizen to be charged under the Espionage Act. https://www.rcfp.org/may-2019-assange-indictment-analysis/ https://www.rcfp.org/may-2019-assange-indictment-analysis/

conz 5y ago

Disturbingly for a forum which is constituted of Assange-like-minded hackers and cypherphreaks, the anger shown towards him on here is always surprising, no small thanks to the work done on Assange by his enemies. For anyone who's not read this already, I've found the following to be the most eye-opening analysis of how Assange came to be framed as a more divisive figure than he actually is: > «A murderous system is being created before our very eyes» A made-up rape allegation and fabricated evidence in Sweden, pressure from the UK not to drop the case, a biased judge, detention in a maximum security prison, psychological torture – and soon extradition to the U.S., where he could face up to 175 years in prison for exposing war crimes. For the first time, the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture, Nils Melzer, speaks in detail about the explosive findings of his investigation into the case of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange. https://www.republik.ch/2020/01/31/nils-melzer-about-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange https://www.republik.ch/2020/01/31/nils-melzer-about-wikilea...

sschueller 5y ago
They started to go after Nils Meltzer as well which is extremely discusting. The US should be very careful when calling for war crimes prosecutions against Russia as it may eventually shine a light back at then reminding the rest of the world that the US is not part of the ICC and even has a law to pull any American facing prosecution out by force if necessary.
- hulitu 5y ago
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > The US should be very careful when calling for war crimes prosecutions against Russia The US has not called for international war crimes prosecutions against Russians, which, even within the ICC system, are a backstop against failure of the criminals own country and those where the offense happened and any others which might have direct jurisdiction to have the ability and will to take action. It hasn't even called for war crimes prosecutions of any kind. It has described it's conclusion that Russia has committed war crimes, which is not the same as either of the above things, in the context of promoting the urgency of stopping the campaign in which they have done so so as to deny them the opportunity to commit more.