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Time to move to Matrix? There is e2e messaging there.

by mfer 5y ago

jhugo 5y ago
Keybase is fairly small, easily audited, and does few things well. Matrix is enormous, poorly audited (and difficult to audit due to the insane overcomplexity), has only a few clients with very bad UX (and unlikely to get a lot more clients due to the overcomplexity), etc. Matrix has its place but it's not a reasonable Keybase alternative.
- Arathorn 5y ago
  This is not true. We just got a new independent audit of Matrix’s e2ee (due to be released in a few weeks), and has a tonne of clients with new ones popping up every week. They all have different UX, but some are very simple - both in terms of auditable code, and in terms of UX. Not all the clients are a drop in replacement for keybase, but some of them certainly are on the right track.
  - jhugo 5y ago
    Your tonne is different from my tonne I guess — and that's fine. I stand by what I said.
Avamander 5y ago
Matrix only very recently got reasonable tools to organize channels (Spaces and they're still definitely not as good), but it still doesn't have Git or file shares.
- Arathorn 5y ago
  Fileshares are coming. No plans for git yet though. Spaces should be much better than Keybase’s channel organisatioon though - what’s missing?
  - Avamander 5y ago
    > Spaces should be much better than Keybase’s channel organisatioon though - what’s missing? The UI/UX and permission system mostly. Keybase shows each "Space" as a separate (but compactly(!) arranged) section in the main view. It's very easy to see what "Spaces" have had activity. Quite a lot like IRC or Discord in that aspect. From the perspective of permissions, I can create a tree-shaped structure of "Spaces" and channels. People at the root level can traverse upwards, but people above can't access everything below. It's also very easy to say "This channel in this space is for announcements, only admins (a group of people) can post", like actually a clean neat UI.

Time to move to Matrix? There is e2e messaging there.

by mfer 5y ago

Time to move to Matrix? There is e2e messaging there.

Keybase is fairly small, easily audited, and does few things well. Matrix is enormous, poorly audited (and difficult to audit due to the insane overcomplexity), has only a few clients with very bad UX (and unlikely to get a lot more clients due to the overcomplexity), etc. Matrix has its place but it's not a reasonable Keybase alternative.

Arathorn 5y ago
This is not true. We just got a new independent audit of Matrix’s e2ee (due to be released in a few weeks), and has a tonne of clients with new ones popping up every week. They all have different UX, but some are very simple - both in terms of auditable code, and in terms of UX. Not all the clients are a drop in replacement for keybase, but some of them certainly are on the right track.
- jhugo 5y ago
  Your tonne is different from my tonne I guess — and that's fine. I stand by what I said.

Avamander 5y ago

Matrix only very recently got reasonable tools to organize channels (Spaces and they're still definitely not as good), but it still doesn't have Git or file shares.

Arathorn 5y ago
Fileshares are coming. No plans for git yet though. Spaces should be much better than Keybase’s channel organisatioon though - what’s missing?
- Avamander 5y ago
  > Spaces should be much better than Keybase’s channel organisatioon though - what’s missing? The UI/UX and permission system mostly. Keybase shows each "Space" as a separate (but compactly(!) arranged) section in the main view. It's very easy to see what "Spaces" have had activity. Quite a lot like IRC or Discord in that aspect. From the perspective of permissions, I can create a tree-shaped structure of "Spaces" and channels. People at the root level can traverse upwards, but people above can't access everything below. It's also very easy to say "This channel in this space is for announcements, only admins (a group of people) can post", like actually a clean neat UI.