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Does it need to?

endisneigh 5y ago
I’m just curious what problem this is solving. If you’re casually dating your partner has no guarantee you’re on the pill, so you have to use a condom anyway. If you’re with another dude, you’d still want to use a condom for stds. If you’re in a long term relationship and don’t want kids aren’t there already better options than this? Under what circumstances would one use this over a condom?
- brimble 5y ago
  For tons of people in committed relationships, the woman takes the pill and they don't use condoms. This just lets the guy do it instead (or in addition, if you want to be extra safe). I'm truly not following what's hard to understand about it.
  - endisneigh 5y ago
    I didn’t realize people still took pills in committed relationships. My doc friends said a copper iud is pretty much the gold standard. Thanks for the info.
    - brimble 5y ago
      IUDs or injected, persistent "pills", yeah, I'm not sure literally taking a pill every day is as common as it once was now that they can inject something that lasts months and doesn't require remembering to take it, but some form of drug-based contraception is still fairly common (among the ones not using IUDs for whatever reason).
      - jfengel 5y ago
        Daily pills are still quite common. The implants are not trivial projects; it's a lot more than just a jab, and takes a few days to recover from. IUDs are also very unpleasant to have put in. And some women like the level of control they get from taking the daily pill.
- Cyberdog 5y ago
  > Under what circumstances would one use this over a condom? I personally find sex without condoms much more pleasurable and I suspect I'm not alone. I would be open to using an effective and affordable form of male birth control in a committed relationship if it meant I didn't have to use a condom. That said, for casual encounters, this could be used in addition to a condom, just to "be sure."
  - henriquez 5y ago
    No one actually likes condoms, condom use recommended as a gold standard is just flippant judgey bullshit from people who don’t actually get sex. Condoms don’t prevent a lot of STDs and they don’t always work without failure, but god forbid we accept and design around what normal mammals have done for millenia. If you’re concerned about HIV there’s PrEP, if you’re concerned about bacterial infection there’s antibiotics, and for everything else you likely already have it (unless you’re a virgin who browbeats people over condom use).
  - filoleg 5y ago
    Even in committed relationships, such a pill would be an extra safety factor. There are plenty of people who got pregnant despite being on the pill or having an IUD. It is a small chance, but it is possible. I imagine that still using those methods + using the pill for men at the same time would decrease that small chance to an even smaller one. And while the chance of IUD or the daily pill failing is small, it is non-zero, and it happens to people in real life. And the consequences of that small chance not playing out your way tend to be very costly in every single way.
- jfengel 5y ago
  While condoms used correctly are 98% effective, typical use is only 78% effective. Condoms sometimes break, especially if you don't use them correctly. You also have to be conscientious about pulling out after ejaculation, which isn't necessarily the most satisfying conclusion to sex. They have to be applied correctly and fitted correctly. Pills also have a lot of failure modes, of course. But they can provide a more "natural", smooth experience to sex. You don't have to interrupt the process to apply one -- and sometimes that can lead to further interruptions. For me, the more modes of protection the better. I could see wanting to use both a condom AND a pill -- the former for STDs, the latter to be extra-certain about pregnancy. The risk may be low but the consequences are very high. You should absolutely use a condom until you are close enough to be "fluid bonded".

Does it need to?

I’m just curious what problem this is solving. If you’re casually dating your partner has no guarantee you’re on the pill, so you have to use a condom anyway. If you’re with another dude, you’d still want to use a condom for stds. If you’re in a long term relationship and don’t want kids aren’t there already better options than this? Under what circumstances would one use this over a condom?

brimble 5y ago
For tons of people in committed relationships, the woman takes the pill and they don't use condoms. This just lets the guy do it instead (or in addition, if you want to be extra safe). I'm truly not following what's hard to understand about it.
- endisneigh 5y ago
  I didn’t realize people still took pills in committed relationships. My doc friends said a copper iud is pretty much the gold standard. Thanks for the info.
  - brimble 5y ago
    IUDs or injected, persistent "pills", yeah, I'm not sure literally taking a pill every day is as common as it once was now that they can inject something that lasts months and doesn't require remembering to take it, but some form of drug-based contraception is still fairly common (among the ones not using IUDs for whatever reason).
    - jfengel 5y ago
      Daily pills are still quite common. The implants are not trivial projects; it's a lot more than just a jab, and takes a few days to recover from. IUDs are also very unpleasant to have put in. And some women like the level of control they get from taking the daily pill.
Cyberdog 5y ago
> Under what circumstances would one use this over a condom? I personally find sex without condoms much more pleasurable and I suspect I'm not alone. I would be open to using an effective and affordable form of male birth control in a committed relationship if it meant I didn't have to use a condom. That said, for casual encounters, this could be used in addition to a condom, just to "be sure."
- henriquez 5y ago
  No one actually likes condoms, condom use recommended as a gold standard is just flippant judgey bullshit from people who don’t actually get sex. Condoms don’t prevent a lot of STDs and they don’t always work without failure, but god forbid we accept and design around what normal mammals have done for millenia. If you’re concerned about HIV there’s PrEP, if you’re concerned about bacterial infection there’s antibiotics, and for everything else you likely already have it (unless you’re a virgin who browbeats people over condom use).
- filoleg 5y ago
  Even in committed relationships, such a pill would be an extra safety factor. There are plenty of people who got pregnant despite being on the pill or having an IUD. It is a small chance, but it is possible. I imagine that still using those methods + using the pill for men at the same time would decrease that small chance to an even smaller one. And while the chance of IUD or the daily pill failing is small, it is non-zero, and it happens to people in real life. And the consequences of that small chance not playing out your way tend to be very costly in every single way.
jfengel 5y ago
While condoms used correctly are 98% effective, typical use is only 78% effective. Condoms sometimes break, especially if you don't use them correctly. You also have to be conscientious about pulling out after ejaculation, which isn't necessarily the most satisfying conclusion to sex. They have to be applied correctly and fitted correctly. Pills also have a lot of failure modes, of course. But they can provide a more "natural", smooth experience to sex. You don't have to interrupt the process to apply one -- and sometimes that can lead to further interruptions. For me, the more modes of protection the better. I could see wanting to use both a condom AND a pill -- the former for STDs, the latter to be extra-certain about pregnancy. The risk may be low but the consequences are very high. You should absolutely use a condom until you are close enough to be "fluid bonded".