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Have you looked for answers to your question, and if so, what did you find? There’s an absolute avalanche of data on this topic - do you want pointers to it, o

by wswope 5y ago

Have you looked for answers to your question, and if so, what did you find? There’s an absolute avalanche of data on this topic - do you want pointers to it, or are you looking to soapbox?

photochemsyn 5y ago
I actually don't know of any studies of the nature I suggested. Note such a study would be fairly expensive as the cost of standardized high-quality one-on-one tutoring (with both mental and physical coaches) over a period of one year for the study cohort would be rather high, so such studies may simply not exist. It's not soapboxing; in particular it would be interesting to see if the 'ability to learn and improve' changed with age. It's commonly assumed that it's harder to learn new things as we age, but I've never seen that data quantified personally... Hopefully it's less true than we imagine it to be.
- wswope 5y ago
  There’s nothing “all-inclusive” - but we have really robust research for each piece of this in a vacuum, because frankly it would be incredibly difficult to test the generalizability of any single tutoring methodology when applied long-term. This is the seminal paper on one-on-one academic tutoring from 1984 that’s spawned hundreds of follow-up papers: http://web.mit.edu/5.95/readings/bloom-two-sigma.pdf http://web.mit.edu/5.95/readings/bloom-two-sigma.pdf. The biggest corpus of raw stats on age-related learning AND the generalizability of that knowledge come from the fad of brain-training games from the 2000s (e.g. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C44&q=brain+training+age&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DyEpW0mqfrnEJ https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C44&q=bra...). But the crux of what you’re talking about, i.e. “physical skills are trainable while mental skills are not”, fall under the banners of “transfer of learning” for cross-domain academic performance, and “malleability of intelligence” for age-related differences in cognitive improvement: e.g. https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ903882.pdf https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ903882.pdf, https://psycnet.apa.org/doi/10.1037/0033-295X.109.1.116 https://psycnet.apa.org/doi/10.1037/0033-295X.109.1.116. Plenty of exercise physiology research on coaching format (personal trainer vs. group classes), and strength training adaptations by age that shouldn’t be hard to find at all to cover the physical side.
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by wswope 5y ago

Have you looked for answers to your question, and if so, what did you find? There’s an absolute avalanche of data on this topic - do you want pointers to it, or are you looking to soapbox?

photochemsyn 5y ago

I actually don't know of any studies of the nature I suggested. Note such a study would be fairly expensive as the cost of standardized high-quality one-on-one tutoring (with both mental and physical coaches) over a period of one year for the study cohort would be rather high, so such studies may simply not exist. It's not soapboxing; in particular it would be interesting to see if the 'ability to learn and improve' changed with age. It's commonly assumed that it's harder to learn new things as we age, but I've never seen that data quantified personally... Hopefully it's less true than we imagine it to be.

wswope 5y ago
There’s nothing “all-inclusive” - but we have really robust research for each piece of this in a vacuum, because frankly it would be incredibly difficult to test the generalizability of any single tutoring methodology when applied long-term. This is the seminal paper on one-on-one academic tutoring from 1984 that’s spawned hundreds of follow-up papers: http://web.mit.edu/5.95/readings/bloom-two-sigma.pdf http://web.mit.edu/5.95/readings/bloom-two-sigma.pdf. The biggest corpus of raw stats on age-related learning AND the generalizability of that knowledge come from the fad of brain-training games from the 2000s (e.g. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C44&q=brain+training+age&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DyEpW0mqfrnEJ https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C44&q=bra...). But the crux of what you’re talking about, i.e. “physical skills are trainable while mental skills are not”, fall under the banners of “transfer of learning” for cross-domain academic performance, and “malleability of intelligence” for age-related differences in cognitive improvement: e.g. https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ903882.pdf https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ903882.pdf, https://psycnet.apa.org/doi/10.1037/0033-295X.109.1.116 https://psycnet.apa.org/doi/10.1037/0033-295X.109.1.116. Plenty of exercise physiology research on coaching format (personal trainer vs. group classes), and strength training adaptations by age that shouldn’t be hard to find at all to cover the physical side.
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