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First, congratulations to the KyuWeb team on making something and getting it to launch. Anytime you do that it is a win, because it is a big learning experience
by Communitivity 5y ago
First, congratulations to the KyuWeb team on making something and getting it to launch. Anytime you do that it is a win, because it is a big learning experience and a good confidence booster.
Second, I have some concerns with the design. CommonMark is not what I would have chosen. WikiCreole is the result of a standardization effort to create a Wiki markup standard, and what I would have picked. Also, there are conflicting pieces. For example, the MIME types accepted are text/plain and text/markdown, but then they talk about HTML wrapped Kyu documents and using pre to do so (better options are available; even script would be better I think). There's also an ambiguous statement about other types being displayable with helper applications.
However, more importantly, this seems to be trying to fill a space that doesn't exist. Plain text with little or no styling has Gopher/Veronica/Wais and now Gemini. I'm not familiar with Gemini but used Gopher back in the day a lot.
Text with styling exists in HTML. Yes, it has a lot of feature creep. Yes, there are pages that are just CSS and Javascript, with little HTML. However, it is the standard.
KyuWeb document reads to me like they want HTML without plugins or Javsscript. That's a legitimate want, and I think a good approach to getting it is to create a prototype of how you can specify an HTML profile that meets that need, then work within the W3C or WHATWG to see about getting that recognized.
What I think they really would be happy with is HyperCard. I have to wonder how the Internet would be different if Hypercard had taken off the way the Web did, instead of being replaced by it. Robert Cailliau from the Hypercard Team helped Tim Berners-Lee create the first Web browser [1].
[1] Cailliau, Robert, How It Really Happened, Computer, archived from the original on January 6, 2011 (on the WWW proposal).
- Cyberdog 5y ago> First, congratulations to the KyuWeb team on making something and getting it to launch. No team, just me, and I don't consider this to have "launched" yet. A true launch will involve at least one working server and one working client people can use to browse it. But thank you regardless. > Text with styling exists in HTML. Yes, it has a lot of feature creep. Yes, there are pages that are just CSS and Javascript, with little HTML. However, it is the standard. I agree - which is why KyuWeb is about defining a way to use existing standards to meet the goal of a document-focused web rather than defining a new standard. That might seem like a distinction without a difference for some, but I think the difference will come in the software - a KyuWeb server is just an HTTP server with some slightly different behavior, and a KyuWeb client will use HTTP client libraries for communicating with it. > What I think they really would be happy with is HyperCard. HyperCard is not document-focused and not an open standard. That said I was a huge fan of Myst back in the day. :)