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It's good to have the option, but ideally if I buy a really nice new computer, I'd like to actually be taking advantage of that hardware I paid for!

by hbn 5y ago

ChuckNorris89 5y ago
Yeah, same. I don't get the point of buying an expensive and benchmark crushing piece of ARM hardware for some development work if it has the utility of a $200 Chromebook where you have to SSH into powerful X86 machines to actually achieve your development goal.
- thebean11 5y ago
  You are underestimating how much processing power you need for a smooth experience using IntelliJ, even without compiling anything :P
  - throwaway4good 5y ago
    Huh - my ten year old mbp runs intellij just fine?!
    - thebean11 5y ago
      Really? My 2013 high spec'd Mac Pro is feeling the pain on a medium sized typescript project. The coding hints / errors take many seconds to load.
      - MockObject 5y ago
        That's odd. It runs as snappy as ever on my 16G 2013 MacBook Pro.
        thebean11 5y ago
        What MacOS version? I might have made a mistake by upgrading
        MockObject 5y ago
        It's running El Capitan. I also have a 16G 2015 MBP running Monterey and IntelliJ with no problem at all though.
        digisign 5y ago
        On Big Sur at least there are dozens of daemons running that can't be turned off due to the read-only system partition. I'd check those and third-party software that could be sapping performance. Gets more important with older hardware.
    - theshrike79 5y ago
      We might have different definitions of "just fine". On my M1 Max MBP Jetbrains Rider stars in under two seconds. Loading the quite large project takes another two. On my previous laptop, an i7 MBP, it took in the order of minutes to get Rider to the point where I could actually start writing code with codecompletion. It sounded like a jet taking off while Rider blasted all cores at max to enable the smart completions. The M1 Max isn't even slightly warm in the same case. Haven't found out a single spot where it would've even slightly stuttered.
  - mopierotti 5y ago
    One thing I'll throw out there is that I've recently been running IntelliJ using jdk 17 with ZGC as the garbage collector, and it seems snappier. (You can use the 17.0 runtime that jetbrains releases on github, this page has more related info https://mustafaakin.dev/posts/2021-12-08-running-intellij-idea-with-jdk17-for-better-render-performance/ https://mustafaakin.dev/posts/2021-12-08-running-intellij-id... )
- kikowi 5y ago
  The biggest performance eye opener for me was when I opened outlook.office.com. On M1 its almost instantaneous where on my old mac (maxed MBP 2015 & Mojave OS) or Ubuntu Desktop machine (32GB RAM & i7 6700) it took 10 seconds or more (all done on the same network). I noticed I fell out of the "flow" a lot less on M1, because actions that took a few seconds on other machines are now instantaneous. Regarding the Intellij Idea and Docker, my old 16GB MBP 2015 Mojave was struggling hard and getting very hot with 100K LoC project. I would definitely use the Gateway on old machine aswell.
  - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
    To be fair, both your 2015 MBP and 2015 6th gen Intel desktop are pretty outdated compared to your M1 Macbook, so of course they're slow in comparison, what else did you expect? For a more apples to apples comparison, Intel 12th gen and AMD Ryzen 6000 series would also give you a lightning fast experience comparable to your M1, especially since modern systems come with faster memory and faster storage than your 2015 machines, contributing to the perception of speed.
    - voyager1 5y ago
      Ofcourse, it was a response to why I dont just use a 200$ Chromebook. Latest AMD or Intel is definetly as fast, albeit at a higher TDP.
    - digisign 5y ago
      Yes, hard to believe but that was seven years ago. In the old days it would have been like comparing a 286 to a 486. Intel has certainly plateaud since then but Apple's ARM kept some of that momentum.
sixothree 5y ago
Doesn't mean you can't run that Ubuntu instance in a VM on the same machine. Wait does it? Can you run VMs on these guys?
- fallenhitokiri 5y ago
  Parallels works fine, VMWare Fusion provides a tech preview for M1 - I’m running Debian arm64 VMs this way. Both (AFAIK) don’t support x86 guests and don plan to (virtualization vs emulation). So you’d have the same issues as with as with Docker. There seems to be a work around with qemu and UTM but I cannot speak to its performance or how viable this solution is.

It's good to have the option, but ideally if I buy a really nice new computer, I'd like to actually be taking advantage of that hardware I paid for!

by hbn 5y ago

It's good to have the option, but ideally if I buy a really nice new computer, I'd like to actually be taking advantage of that hardware I paid for!

ChuckNorris89 5y ago

Yeah, same. I don't get the point of buying an expensive and benchmark crushing piece of ARM hardware for some development work if it has the utility of a $200 Chromebook where you have to SSH into powerful X86 machines to actually achieve your development goal.

thebean11 5y ago
You are underestimating how much processing power you need for a smooth experience using IntelliJ, even without compiling anything :P
- throwaway4good 5y ago
  Huh - my ten year old mbp runs intellij just fine?!
  - thebean11 5y ago
    Really? My 2013 high spec'd Mac Pro is feeling the pain on a medium sized typescript project. The coding hints / errors take many seconds to load.
    - MockObject 5y ago
      That's odd. It runs as snappy as ever on my 16G 2013 MacBook Pro.
      - thebean11 5y ago
        What MacOS version? I might have made a mistake by upgrading
        MockObject 5y ago
        It's running El Capitan. I also have a 16G 2015 MBP running Monterey and IntelliJ with no problem at all though.
        digisign 5y ago
        On Big Sur at least there are dozens of daemons running that can't be turned off due to the read-only system partition. I'd check those and third-party software that could be sapping performance. Gets more important with older hardware.
  - theshrike79 5y ago
    We might have different definitions of "just fine". On my M1 Max MBP Jetbrains Rider stars in under two seconds. Loading the quite large project takes another two. On my previous laptop, an i7 MBP, it took in the order of minutes to get Rider to the point where I could actually start writing code with codecompletion. It sounded like a jet taking off while Rider blasted all cores at max to enable the smart completions. The M1 Max isn't even slightly warm in the same case. Haven't found out a single spot where it would've even slightly stuttered.
- mopierotti 5y ago
  One thing I'll throw out there is that I've recently been running IntelliJ using jdk 17 with ZGC as the garbage collector, and it seems snappier. (You can use the 17.0 runtime that jetbrains releases on github, this page has more related info https://mustafaakin.dev/posts/2021-12-08-running-intellij-idea-with-jdk17-for-better-render-performance/ https://mustafaakin.dev/posts/2021-12-08-running-intellij-id... )
kikowi 5y ago
The biggest performance eye opener for me was when I opened outlook.office.com. On M1 its almost instantaneous where on my old mac (maxed MBP 2015 & Mojave OS) or Ubuntu Desktop machine (32GB RAM & i7 6700) it took 10 seconds or more (all done on the same network). I noticed I fell out of the "flow" a lot less on M1, because actions that took a few seconds on other machines are now instantaneous. Regarding the Intellij Idea and Docker, my old 16GB MBP 2015 Mojave was struggling hard and getting very hot with 100K LoC project. I would definitely use the Gateway on old machine aswell.
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
  To be fair, both your 2015 MBP and 2015 6th gen Intel desktop are pretty outdated compared to your M1 Macbook, so of course they're slow in comparison, what else did you expect? For a more apples to apples comparison, Intel 12th gen and AMD Ryzen 6000 series would also give you a lightning fast experience comparable to your M1, especially since modern systems come with faster memory and faster storage than your 2015 machines, contributing to the perception of speed.
  - voyager1 5y ago
    Ofcourse, it was a response to why I dont just use a 200$ Chromebook. Latest AMD or Intel is definetly as fast, albeit at a higher TDP.
  - digisign 5y ago
    Yes, hard to believe but that was seven years ago. In the old days it would have been like comparing a 286 to a 486. Intel has certainly plateaud since then but Apple's ARM kept some of that momentum.

sixothree 5y ago

Doesn't mean you can't run that Ubuntu instance in a VM on the same machine. Wait does it? Can you run VMs on these guys?

fallenhitokiri 5y ago
Parallels works fine, VMWare Fusion provides a tech preview for M1 - I’m running Debian arm64 VMs this way. Both (AFAIK) don’t support x86 guests and don plan to (virtualization vs emulation). So you’d have the same issues as with as with Docker. There seems to be a work around with qemu and UTM but I cannot speak to its performance or how viable this solution is.