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I guess now that it's wrapped in academese it will get some traction.

by MrPatan 5y ago

wahnfrieden 5y ago
You’re criticizing aesthetics. Find a less superficial angle please
- Psyladine 5y ago
  How something is said is at least as important as the intention. Isn't that tone policing core to the hn ethos? Dressing up thoughts in symbols may seem like a marketability approach, or maybe an attack vector in the best traditions of fiction (the best sci-fi is, after all, merely a glass darkly by which to critique contemporary social ills), yet as Blair reminds us: >"In prose, the worst thing one can do with words is surrender to them. When you think of a concrete object, you think wordlessly, and then, if you want to describe the thing you have been visualizing you probably hunt about until you find the exact words that seem to fit it. When you think of something abstract you are more inclined to use words from the start, and unless you make a conscious effort to prevent it, the existing dialect will come rushing in and do the job for you, at the expense of blurring or even changing your meaning. Probably it is better to put off using words as long as possible and get one's meaning as clear as one can through pictures and sensations." So, jumping on pop-culture loaded symbols & jargon is a quick way to hijack sentiment or thought along well-dug rut of loaded connotation. Entirely valid critique.
ruined 5y ago
when the right speaks on this, they use their own jargon, but just pretend it isn't jargon. one of the things the left is good at is being willing to admit to ideology. it is okay to have reasons, intentions, and motivations. pretending one does not, pretending ideological choices are innate and universal, and pretending one can avoid specificity when speaking are failures.
- jamal-kumar 5y ago
  jargon? i just see them parrot 'narrative' over and over
- deleted 5y ago
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- zozbot234 5y ago
  Except that the left does not admit to ideology all that much. The more ideological leftists all like to think that they're "based and redpilled" and telling it like it is, even though nothing could be farther from the truth. By contrast, people on the "right" tend to be more aware that their latest "redpill" is just another meme and it's all for the lulz anyway.
  - germinalphrase 5y ago
    The left may present itself more seriously, but why shouldn’t the humor be considered a mere veil for the underlying belief? It’s one thing to meme about the vulnerability of the impoverished, and another to state clearly that one holds the ideological position that they deserve their poverty.

I guess now that it's wrapped in academese it will get some traction.

wahnfrieden 5y ago

You’re criticizing aesthetics. Find a less superficial angle please

Psyladine 5y ago
How something is said is at least as important as the intention. Isn't that tone policing core to the hn ethos? Dressing up thoughts in symbols may seem like a marketability approach, or maybe an attack vector in the best traditions of fiction (the best sci-fi is, after all, merely a glass darkly by which to critique contemporary social ills), yet as Blair reminds us: >"In prose, the worst thing one can do with words is surrender to them. When you think of a concrete object, you think wordlessly, and then, if you want to describe the thing you have been visualizing you probably hunt about until you find the exact words that seem to fit it. When you think of something abstract you are more inclined to use words from the start, and unless you make a conscious effort to prevent it, the existing dialect will come rushing in and do the job for you, at the expense of blurring or even changing your meaning. Probably it is better to put off using words as long as possible and get one's meaning as clear as one can through pictures and sensations." So, jumping on pop-culture loaded symbols & jargon is a quick way to hijack sentiment or thought along well-dug rut of loaded connotation. Entirely valid critique.

ruined 5y ago

when the right speaks on this, they use their own jargon, but just pretend it isn't jargon. one of the things the left is good at is being willing to admit to ideology. it is okay to have reasons, intentions, and motivations. pretending one does not, pretending ideological choices are innate and universal, and pretending one can avoid specificity when speaking are failures.

jamal-kumar 5y ago
jargon? i just see them parrot 'narrative' over and over
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zozbot234 5y ago
Except that the left does not admit to ideology all that much. The more ideological leftists all like to think that they're "based and redpilled" and telling it like it is, even though nothing could be farther from the truth. By contrast, people on the "right" tend to be more aware that their latest "redpill" is just another meme and it's all for the lulz anyway.
- germinalphrase 5y ago
  The left may present itself more seriously, but why shouldn’t the humor be considered a mere veil for the underlying belief? It’s one thing to meme about the vulnerability of the impoverished, and another to state clearly that one holds the ideological position that they deserve their poverty.