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I wouldn't be surprised if the US tries to extradite him and throw him in an American prison for a decade or two.

iso1631 5y ago
Jup, just like Lauri Love, years of anguish with threats to go to a punitive jail system not aimed at rehabilitation or even simply protection, but designed for punishment and profit. Of course when US citizens kill people in the UK they just claim diplomatic immunity and flee the country.
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > designed for punishment and profit Containment. The American model is deterrence and containment. (With a healthy dose of profit.)
- mikeodds 5y ago
  For anyone wondering about the diplomatic immunity reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Harry_Dunn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Harry_Dunn The collision became the subject of a diplomatic dispute when Sacoolas left the country shortly after the incident and the US embassy said she had diplomatic immunity as the wife of a US agent working in the UK.[8][16][14][29] According to Sky News someone at the US embassy told Sacoolas to leave the UK.[30] The Washington Examiner reported that Jonathan Sacoolas did not work for the National Security Agency, and that the Sacoolas family lived in Northern Virginia in the area of the Central Intelligence Agency Langley headquarters.[31] Dunn's parents were advised by two leading specialist lawyers on diplomatic immunity, Mark Stephens and Geoffrey Robertson. They advised that Anne Sacoolas was not entitled to diplomatic immunity, as her husband was not listed as a diplomat. Furthermore, they contended, diplomatic immunity no longer applied upon Sacoolas's return to her home country; therefore, it would be possible to take civil action in the US courts. The Foreign Secretary, Dominic Raab, also stated that diplomatic immunity no longer applied.[32][33] Dunn's parents decided to travel to the US to "fight for change" and seek the return of Sacoolas to the UK.[34]
  - extheat 5y ago
    I think that's more of a quirk than anything, they were able to leave the country before getting charged for the act. They were directly related to someone with the US government (CIA) which muddied the water. If it were a normal citizen, they probably wouldn't be afforded the same special treatment.
    - throwawayh3h3ti 5y ago
      "If it were a normal citizen" That's the funny bit, she is a normal citizen. She wasn't working for the CIA, it was her husband. Which is a slap in the face to the family of the boy who was killed.
      - nickkell 5y ago
        Was she really not working for the CIA? I thought it came out in the US court that she did
- floor2 5y ago
  From HN guidelines: > Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents > Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity The above comment clearly violates both of these
  - aaomidi 5y ago
    The comment is also true and is talking about a real fact that America conducts extra judicial killings around the world and generally has no care for civilian life. It's disturbing to see mentions of this simple fact get attacked.
- aaomidi 5y ago
  The US apparently has agreements with UK that they can pick and choose anyone to serve their sentence in the US. It's pretty ridiculous. UK is not really an independent country anymore.
  - blibble 5y ago
    you'll note that Lauri Love was not extradited, over protests from the US government the US can demand what they want, but it still goes through our courts same for Gary McKinnon

Jup, just like Lauri Love, years of anguish with threats to go to a punitive jail system not aimed at rehabilitation or even simply protection, but designed for punishment and profit. Of course when US citizens kill people in the UK they just claim diplomatic immunity and flee the country.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> designed for punishment and profit Containment. The American model is deterrence and containment. (With a healthy dose of profit.)
mikeodds 5y ago
For anyone wondering about the diplomatic immunity reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Harry_Dunn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Harry_Dunn The collision became the subject of a diplomatic dispute when Sacoolas left the country shortly after the incident and the US embassy said she had diplomatic immunity as the wife of a US agent working in the UK.[8][16][14][29] According to Sky News someone at the US embassy told Sacoolas to leave the UK.[30] The Washington Examiner reported that Jonathan Sacoolas did not work for the National Security Agency, and that the Sacoolas family lived in Northern Virginia in the area of the Central Intelligence Agency Langley headquarters.[31] Dunn's parents were advised by two leading specialist lawyers on diplomatic immunity, Mark Stephens and Geoffrey Robertson. They advised that Anne Sacoolas was not entitled to diplomatic immunity, as her husband was not listed as a diplomat. Furthermore, they contended, diplomatic immunity no longer applied upon Sacoolas's return to her home country; therefore, it would be possible to take civil action in the US courts. The Foreign Secretary, Dominic Raab, also stated that diplomatic immunity no longer applied.[32][33] Dunn's parents decided to travel to the US to "fight for change" and seek the return of Sacoolas to the UK.[34]
- extheat 5y ago
  I think that's more of a quirk than anything, they were able to leave the country before getting charged for the act. They were directly related to someone with the US government (CIA) which muddied the water. If it were a normal citizen, they probably wouldn't be afforded the same special treatment.
  - throwawayh3h3ti 5y ago
    "If it were a normal citizen" That's the funny bit, she is a normal citizen. She wasn't working for the CIA, it was her husband. Which is a slap in the face to the family of the boy who was killed.
    - nickkell 5y ago
      Was she really not working for the CIA? I thought it came out in the US court that she did
floor2 5y ago
From HN guidelines: > Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents > Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity The above comment clearly violates both of these
- aaomidi 5y ago
  The comment is also true and is talking about a real fact that America conducts extra judicial killings around the world and generally has no care for civilian life. It's disturbing to see mentions of this simple fact get attacked.
aaomidi 5y ago
The US apparently has agreements with UK that they can pick and choose anyone to serve their sentence in the US. It's pretty ridiculous. UK is not really an independent country anymore.
- blibble 5y ago
  you'll note that Lauri Love was not extradited, over protests from the US government the US can demand what they want, but it still goes through our courts same for Gary McKinnon