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EU Demands Interoperable Messaging

21 points by Sami_Lehtinen 5y ago

zecg 5y ago
As a citizen of the EU I can say fu%k off, EU. The only way to make interoperable messaging I'd use is if the clients are not reading the messages, but only shuffling encrypted blobs around. I'll stick with Signal for messaging otherwise.
- mmarq 5y ago
  I may have misunderstood your message, but I don’t see why interoperable messaging apps should require clients to exchange data in clear text.
  - seba_dos1 5y ago
    Indeed, XMPP is perfectly interoperable and yet end-to-end encrypted.
- cm2187 5y ago
  You can see it the other way round. You could use a client you trust or compiled yourself to interact with signal users. Interoperable doesn’t necessarily mean back doored
- Arnt 5y ago
  Read the actual proposal — it'll never affect Signal in any bad way. Summary of the summary: Very big messengers have to interoperate with smaller ones if the smaller ones want to do that. Signal is a smaller one and will always be below the threshold, so it'll have the choice: Allow whatsapp interop like it allows SMS now, or don't. Signal's choice.
igravious 5y ago
previously on HN: “New EU law could require iMessage and WhatsApp to work with other platforms” https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30800576 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30800576 “EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants” https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30799567 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30799567
- djohnston 5y ago
  It seems less about reigning in tech giants and more about breaking encryption. How is WA going to be interoperable without publicly exposing the keys to a third party?
  - elikoga 5y ago
jimjames88 5y ago
dekoruotas 5y ago
Would replacing SMS with RCS solve this? So far Apple has been very reluctant to implement it.
wrnr 5y ago
What is the technical requirement for this to be interoperable, what if I have my own walled garden that doesn't use xml or json but it's own spin on s-expressions, and all messages are in a markle tree, and the messages are displayed using my own graphics stack instead of html/css, and all of this with e2e encryption, what do these jokers expect me todo, asking for a friend?
- Arnt 5y ago
  Based on those technical details I confidently predict that you're not going to have a «market capitalisation of at least 75 billion euro or an annual turnover of 7.5 billion» and «at least 45 million monthly end users in the EU.and 10 000 annual business users» so this won't apply to you.
  - wrnr 5y ago
    ok thx

21 points by Sami_Lehtinen 5y ago

zecg 5y ago

As a citizen of the EU I can say fu%k off, EU. The only way to make interoperable messaging I'd use is if the clients are not reading the messages, but only shuffling encrypted blobs around. I'll stick with Signal for messaging otherwise.

mmarq 5y ago
I may have misunderstood your message, but I don’t see why interoperable messaging apps should require clients to exchange data in clear text.
- seba_dos1 5y ago
  Indeed, XMPP is perfectly interoperable and yet end-to-end encrypted.
cm2187 5y ago
You can see it the other way round. You could use a client you trust or compiled yourself to interact with signal users. Interoperable doesn’t necessarily mean back doored
Arnt 5y ago
Read the actual proposal — it'll never affect Signal in any bad way. Summary of the summary: Very big messengers have to interoperate with smaller ones if the smaller ones want to do that. Signal is a smaller one and will always be below the threshold, so it'll have the choice: Allow whatsapp interop like it allows SMS now, or don't. Signal's choice.

igravious 5y ago

previously on HN: “New EU law could require iMessage and WhatsApp to work with other platforms” https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30800576 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30800576 “EU negotiators agree new rules to rein in tech giants” https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30799567 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30799567

djohnston 5y ago
It seems less about reigning in tech giants and more about breaking encryption. How is WA going to be interoperable without publicly exposing the keys to a third party?
- elikoga 5y ago

jimjames88 5y ago

dekoruotas 5y ago

Would replacing SMS with RCS solve this? So far Apple has been very reluctant to implement it.

wrnr 5y ago

What is the technical requirement for this to be interoperable, what if I have my own walled garden that doesn't use xml or json but it's own spin on s-expressions, and all messages are in a markle tree, and the messages are displayed using my own graphics stack instead of html/css, and all of this with e2e encryption, what do these jokers expect me todo, asking for a friend?

Arnt 5y ago
Based on those technical details I confidently predict that you're not going to have a «market capitalisation of at least 75 billion euro or an annual turnover of 7.5 billion» and «at least 45 million monthly end users in the EU.and 10 000 annual business users» so this won't apply to you.
- wrnr 5y ago
  ok thx