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That's a pretty disingenuous take you've got there – contrary opinions (e.g., on gun control) are one thing, but hate speech (in the form of blatant transphobia

by MrDOS 5y ago

That's a pretty disingenuous take you've got there – contrary opinions (e.g., on gun control) are one thing, but hate speech (in the form of blatant transphobia) is quite another. ESR saw what happened to RMS and went underground. That's a good thing.

jstanley 5y ago
...is exactly the kind of thing your parent comment was talking about.
- matsemann 5y ago
  Getting pushback when you spread hate about others isn't a "dangerous" development. It's others using their free speech to say they feel what ESR is saying is not ok.
tasubotadas 5y ago
Define hate speech. Not sure about ESR but RMS definitely didn't do any.
egeozcan 5y ago
People became too trigger-happy, and there's this ever-changing baseline and being left in the wrong side of it immediately kills your career. I'm a cis male who's also a proud feminist, but I also think that I can get myself easily cancelled if I'm not formulating my opinions very carefully. Heck, even the things I just wrote here can be enough to trigger a lot of people! I'm totally ok if people will argue with each other, or use their free-speech to protest the things they see wrong. But no, what's forming today is an organized "shut these people up or we'll kill your business" angry mob.
- cfcosta 5y ago
  I think it's pretty indicative of your point that every time that I post something here, I get anxious. I use my real name here, and I'm terrified of posting an opinion that's not carefully apolitical or overexplained, and possibly losing everything.
DigitalPumpkin7 5y ago
SarAdcWidth 5y ago
- igetspam 5y ago
  If we're slinging mud, then one side has a monopoly on hate and the other likes to point out that what they're saying constitutes hate speech. One side insists that they believe in protecting life but advocates for maintaining a system that keeps the poor poor and the other side points out what a bunch of hypocrites they are. One side reads a fairy tale about a guy who preached kindness to all, while trying to eliminate differing viewpoints and life choices and the other side keeps losing ground on human rights and they're pretty unhappy about it. But hey, trolls gonna troll, right?
  - SarAdcWidth 5y ago
    You do realise either 'side' could have typed that? That is my point. One side can see that. I'm not sure the other can (it's even worse if they can; they wield their power recklessly, maliciously and remorselessly).
    - igetspam 5y ago
      Nah. Most people on the fringe edge of the right can't spell any more. They can sure as hell shout though. Say you will about the far left but they're generally still literate. I'm happy here near the middle. You're all nuts and you spend too much time yelling at clouds. I will say that the human rights violations on the right far exceed those on the left. They're both guilty of trying to erase some people but the right seems to do it for sport and out of of hate, the left does it out of hyper sensitive and misguided notions of equality because they don't understand what fair means. I'll take naivety over malice though.
throwaway599281 5y ago
>but hate speech (in the form of blatant transphobia) I really hope you Red Army wannabes one day get what you deserve. You think you are the defender of the weak but you openly threaten someone's livelihood because one doesn't follow the new liberal gospel. It's a shame ESR can't say whatever he wants because he's genuinely afraid. And regarding "transphobia" lol. lmao.
- hedwall 5y ago
  I love when being treated fairly is liberal gospel.
  - YATA0 5y ago
    I love when self-deluding yourself into believing that men who get cosmetic genital surgery and wear women's clothing are magically women is liberal gospel.
curtisblaine 5y ago
> but hate speech (in the form of blatant transphobia) When did ESR voice hate speech in the form of blatant transphobia?

by MrDOS 5y ago

jstanley 5y ago

...is exactly the kind of thing your parent comment was talking about.

matsemann 5y ago
Getting pushback when you spread hate about others isn't a "dangerous" development. It's others using their free speech to say they feel what ESR is saying is not ok.

tasubotadas 5y ago

Define hate speech. Not sure about ESR but RMS definitely didn't do any.

egeozcan 5y ago

People became too trigger-happy, and there's this ever-changing baseline and being left in the wrong side of it immediately kills your career. I'm a cis male who's also a proud feminist, but I also think that I can get myself easily cancelled if I'm not formulating my opinions very carefully. Heck, even the things I just wrote here can be enough to trigger a lot of people! I'm totally ok if people will argue with each other, or use their free-speech to protest the things they see wrong. But no, what's forming today is an organized "shut these people up or we'll kill your business" angry mob.

cfcosta 5y ago
I think it's pretty indicative of your point that every time that I post something here, I get anxious. I use my real name here, and I'm terrified of posting an opinion that's not carefully apolitical or overexplained, and possibly losing everything.

DigitalPumpkin7 5y ago

SarAdcWidth 5y ago

igetspam 5y ago
If we're slinging mud, then one side has a monopoly on hate and the other likes to point out that what they're saying constitutes hate speech. One side insists that they believe in protecting life but advocates for maintaining a system that keeps the poor poor and the other side points out what a bunch of hypocrites they are. One side reads a fairy tale about a guy who preached kindness to all, while trying to eliminate differing viewpoints and life choices and the other side keeps losing ground on human rights and they're pretty unhappy about it. But hey, trolls gonna troll, right?
- SarAdcWidth 5y ago
  You do realise either 'side' could have typed that? That is my point. One side can see that. I'm not sure the other can (it's even worse if they can; they wield their power recklessly, maliciously and remorselessly).
  - igetspam 5y ago
    Nah. Most people on the fringe edge of the right can't spell any more. They can sure as hell shout though. Say you will about the far left but they're generally still literate. I'm happy here near the middle. You're all nuts and you spend too much time yelling at clouds. I will say that the human rights violations on the right far exceed those on the left. They're both guilty of trying to erase some people but the right seems to do it for sport and out of of hate, the left does it out of hyper sensitive and misguided notions of equality because they don't understand what fair means. I'll take naivety over malice though.

throwaway599281 5y ago

>but hate speech (in the form of blatant transphobia) I really hope you Red Army wannabes one day get what you deserve. You think you are the defender of the weak but you openly threaten someone's livelihood because one doesn't follow the new liberal gospel. It's a shame ESR can't say whatever he wants because he's genuinely afraid. And regarding "transphobia" lol. lmao.

hedwall 5y ago
I love when being treated fairly is liberal gospel.
- YATA0 5y ago
  I love when self-deluding yourself into believing that men who get cosmetic genital surgery and wear women's clothing are magically women is liberal gospel.

curtisblaine 5y ago

> but hate speech (in the form of blatant transphobia) When did ESR voice hate speech in the form of blatant transphobia?