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- trigger warning - Allow the whole onboarding process to be done without a CC, don't even mention that. But when a user is doing their first deploy, tell the

by pid-1 5y ago

- trigger warning - Allow the whole onboarding process to be done without a CC, don't even mention that. But when a user is doing their first deploy, tell them they need a CC to complete this step. Thanks to the sunken cost fallacy, users will be more likely to proceed.

mpbeauj 5y ago
humanistbot 5y ago
This is a dark pattern and will infuriate both your abusers and legitimate users.
- nojito 5y ago
  Not really. All the big SAAS offerings utilize this pattern. It’s one of the best ways to get a nice core group of dedicated users that will help you iterate.
  - viraptor 5y ago
    Yes they do. They use the dark patterns. That doesn't make them good.
  - deleted 5y ago
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- splatzone 5y ago
  I think I’d only consider it dark if my card was going to be charged. If the app admitted it was just to verify that I’m a real person, for security reasons, I’d be fine with it.
  - mkl 5y ago
    The problem is you don't know if your card is going to be charged. It's too easy for companies to hide things in long terms of service click-throughs, or for users to misunderstand new services, or for companies to charge cards "by accident". I'm certainly pretty doubtful that I completely understand what I'm agreeing to with a new company. The simplest safest solution is to not give them your card.
Kaze404 5y ago
Sounds like a great way to make me sign up with your competitor
eb0la 5y ago
Makes sense to me, but I believe you should A/B test that (not just against signups, but MRR).
marginalia_nu 5y ago
That would make me not only tell everyone I know what a bag of dicks your company is, like people I haven't seen in years would get a hand written letter telling them about this, my techno-illiterate grandma, every. one. I. know. I'd hand out free T-shirts printed with an account of my experience. After this I would then sign up for your competitor's most expensive offering out of sheer spite.
Havoc 5y ago
>- trigger warning - FYI the idea is to specify the nature of the trigger upfront. e.g. Self harm or whatever. That way people can judge whether they want to read the rest of the comment or not.
- pid-1 5y ago
  It was a joke. However, I legit didn't know that, thank you.

by pid-1 5y ago

mpbeauj 5y ago

humanistbot 5y ago

This is a dark pattern and will infuriate both your abusers and legitimate users.

nojito 5y ago
Not really. All the big SAAS offerings utilize this pattern. It’s one of the best ways to get a nice core group of dedicated users that will help you iterate.
- viraptor 5y ago
  Yes they do. They use the dark patterns. That doesn't make them good.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
splatzone 5y ago
I think I’d only consider it dark if my card was going to be charged. If the app admitted it was just to verify that I’m a real person, for security reasons, I’d be fine with it.
- mkl 5y ago
  The problem is you don't know if your card is going to be charged. It's too easy for companies to hide things in long terms of service click-throughs, or for users to misunderstand new services, or for companies to charge cards "by accident". I'm certainly pretty doubtful that I completely understand what I'm agreeing to with a new company. The simplest safest solution is to not give them your card.

Kaze404 5y ago

Sounds like a great way to make me sign up with your competitor

eb0la 5y ago

Makes sense to me, but I believe you should A/B test that (not just against signups, but MRR).

marginalia_nu 5y ago

That would make me not only tell everyone I know what a bag of dicks your company is, like people I haven't seen in years would get a hand written letter telling them about this, my techno-illiterate grandma, every. one. I. know. I'd hand out free T-shirts printed with an account of my experience. After this I would then sign up for your competitor's most expensive offering out of sheer spite.

Havoc 5y ago

>- trigger warning - FYI the idea is to specify the nature of the trigger upfront. e.g. Self harm or whatever. That way people can judge whether they want to read the rest of the comment or not.

pid-1 5y ago
It was a joke. However, I legit didn't know that, thank you.