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I'm not sure how to put that in words, but I feel that we are loosing the ability to accept and interact with people who have a slightly different worldview. I

by jabiko 5y ago

I'm not sure how to put that in words, but I feel that we are loosing the ability to accept and interact with people who have a slightly different worldview. I am totally with you in your view on the military. In my country there used to be a mandatory military service or alternatively a longer civilian service; I choose the latter However, I think that just because a person holds a different view on things we should accept that and not disregard other things this person does based on a diverging worldview. This tolerance can of course have boundaries, but these boundaries should be reasonably broad.

sneak 5y ago
> I'm not sure how to put that in words, but I feel that we are loosing the ability to accept and interact with people who have a slightly different worldview. I am totally with you in your view on the military. I can accept him, and will interact with him, but I won't do things that put money in his pocket to further advertise his views. Increasing his view counts, either via my watching, or my linking others to watch, does that. I am morally opposed to doing that. It's nothing to do with "the ability to accept or interact" with him; I just won't fund him. > In my country there used to be a mandatory military service or alternatively a longer civilian service; I choose the latter I'm sorry that your country condoned slavery. These sorts of policies and laws will eventually be condemned universally by history once they fall out of fashion.
- jabiko 5y ago
  > I'm sorry that your country condoned slavery. Now I am truly at a loss for words
  - mathieuh 5y ago
    Is conscription not forced labour? How do you see it differently? You may think conscription is neutral or even good, but it seems fairly reasonable while maybe a little inflammatory for a general audience to describe it as slavery.
    - jabiko 5y ago
      I can agree that conscription is forced labor. However, there is still a very far way from that to slavery. Using words like "slavery" just for added effect is not good style.
- Tabular-Iceberg 5y ago
  > I'm sorry that your country condoned slavery. Let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water here. Entirely professional armed forces risk filling up with people who actually want to go to war and shoot people. Conscription is a moderating force. You want a more representative selection. Americans probably wouldn’t vote for so many disastrous foreign interventions if they would have to personally fly over and do it themselves.
- kfrzcode 5y ago
  You're virtue signaling. I'm going to go donate $50 a month to both his Patreon and increase my donation to the DAV, entirely to spite you. Carry on!
  - avs733 5y ago
    wouldn't...that also be virtue signaling?
    - kfrzcode 5y ago
      An interesting moral equation. .
- throw0101a 5y ago
  >> In my country there used to be a mandatory military service or alternatively a longer civilian service; I choose the latter > I'm sorry that your country condoned slavery. These sorts of policies and laws will eventually be condemned universally by history once they fall out of fashion. Tell that to the people in Ukraine, which has mandatory service: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_service#Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_service#Ukraine For more open societies, the people themselves can decide what is part of the social contract. Some places have made the collective choice that citizens being able to defend against external threats is a good thing. Not everyone has friendly neighbours. It is no different than taxation (IMHO): through their representatives, people have chosen that each person shall given up a portion of their income for the collective good. Under your logic taxation would be theft. Some societies have decided that labour is part of what needs to be given up. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract
  - sneak 5y ago
    > For more open societies, the people themselves can decide what is part of the social contract. Nobody can decide for someone else that they should be enslaved.
    - throw0101a 5y ago
      Do you also believe taxation is theft?

by jabiko 5y ago

sneak 5y ago

> I'm not sure how to put that in words, but I feel that we are loosing the ability to accept and interact with people who have a slightly different worldview. I am totally with you in your view on the military. I can accept him, and will interact with him, but I won't do things that put money in his pocket to further advertise his views. Increasing his view counts, either via my watching, or my linking others to watch, does that. I am morally opposed to doing that. It's nothing to do with "the ability to accept or interact" with him; I just won't fund him. > In my country there used to be a mandatory military service or alternatively a longer civilian service; I choose the latter I'm sorry that your country condoned slavery. These sorts of policies and laws will eventually be condemned universally by history once they fall out of fashion.

jabiko 5y ago
> I'm sorry that your country condoned slavery. Now I am truly at a loss for words
- mathieuh 5y ago
  Is conscription not forced labour? How do you see it differently? You may think conscription is neutral or even good, but it seems fairly reasonable while maybe a little inflammatory for a general audience to describe it as slavery.
  - jabiko 5y ago
    I can agree that conscription is forced labor. However, there is still a very far way from that to slavery. Using words like "slavery" just for added effect is not good style.
Tabular-Iceberg 5y ago
> I'm sorry that your country condoned slavery. Let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water here. Entirely professional armed forces risk filling up with people who actually want to go to war and shoot people. Conscription is a moderating force. You want a more representative selection. Americans probably wouldn’t vote for so many disastrous foreign interventions if they would have to personally fly over and do it themselves.
kfrzcode 5y ago
You're virtue signaling. I'm going to go donate $50 a month to both his Patreon and increase my donation to the DAV, entirely to spite you. Carry on!
- avs733 5y ago
  wouldn't...that also be virtue signaling?
  - kfrzcode 5y ago
    An interesting moral equation. .
throw0101a 5y ago
>> In my country there used to be a mandatory military service or alternatively a longer civilian service; I choose the latter > I'm sorry that your country condoned slavery. These sorts of policies and laws will eventually be condemned universally by history once they fall out of fashion. Tell that to the people in Ukraine, which has mandatory service: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_service#Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_service#Ukraine For more open societies, the people themselves can decide what is part of the social contract. Some places have made the collective choice that citizens being able to defend against external threats is a good thing. Not everyone has friendly neighbours. It is no different than taxation (IMHO): through their representatives, people have chosen that each person shall given up a portion of their income for the collective good. Under your logic taxation would be theft. Some societies have decided that labour is part of what needs to be given up. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract
- sneak 5y ago
  > For more open societies, the people themselves can decide what is part of the social contract. Nobody can decide for someone else that they should be enslaved.
  - throw0101a 5y ago
    Do you also believe taxation is theft?