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good news. we also need interoperability requirements for social networks. like twitter and facebook must be mandated by law to provide access to their networks

good news. we also need interoperability requirements for social networks. like twitter and facebook must be mandated by law to provide access to their networks to smaller networks. only then would people be free to leave these networks without suffering from "network effect"

scim-knox-twox 5y ago
So, you mean "Fediverse" ;) https://wikiless.org/wiki/Fediverse?lang=en https://wikiless.org/wiki/Fediverse?lang=en
- account42 5y ago
  Fediverse is one possibe technology that can be used to implement this, but the core problem is not a technological one. Even in the Fediverse instances will refuse to peer with other instances - something that I don't think should be allowed for massive social networks that use their network effects to capture users.
- dureuill 5y ago
  i mean forcing the dominant networks to interoperate with the fediverse. i can open as many diaspora and mastodon accounts as i want, i will still be alone because everyone i know is on twitter and facebook. make it mandatory that facebook and twitter lets me connect my fediverse accounts and i can connect with my friends regardless of their network of choice
kmlx 5y ago
> like twitter and facebook must be mandated by law to provide access to their networks to smaller networks. makes no sense. you can already pull all your data out of those services and import it into whatever other service you want.
- dane-pgp 5y ago
  Are you suggesting that someone who wants to publish their latest Facebook post to their Twitter followers needs to export all their Facebook data, select just one specific post from the dumped data, and then import that dumped post into Twitter? I mean, that's theoretically possible, but it's not the most convenient workflow, and you run the risk that any tooling designed to automate it is frequently broken by deliberately incompatible changes made by Facebook or Twitter (or whichever other services you are using, in the general case). Fundamentally the data belongs to the users, not to the platforms, so it is right that governments mandate that the data be able to flow according to the users' wishes. All property rights are legal fictions, especially "intellectual property" rights, but at least in this case the property right being defined is a socially beneficial one.
- dureuill 5y ago
  This is not what I mean. I mean make it mandatory for these networks to allow interconnection with eg the fediverse, so that I can connect with people on Facebook or Twitter without having an account on these services myself. Currently users are captive to a network, not due to an impossibility to recover their data, but due to the fact that their friends are using that network and that network is not interoperable. Basically I think networks like Facebook and Twitter are so big at this point that they should be infrastructure.

scim-knox-twox 5y ago

So, you mean "Fediverse" ;) https://wikiless.org/wiki/Fediverse?lang=en https://wikiless.org/wiki/Fediverse?lang=en

account42 5y ago
Fediverse is one possibe technology that can be used to implement this, but the core problem is not a technological one. Even in the Fediverse instances will refuse to peer with other instances - something that I don't think should be allowed for massive social networks that use their network effects to capture users.
dureuill 5y ago
i mean forcing the dominant networks to interoperate with the fediverse. i can open as many diaspora and mastodon accounts as i want, i will still be alone because everyone i know is on twitter and facebook. make it mandatory that facebook and twitter lets me connect my fediverse accounts and i can connect with my friends regardless of their network of choice

kmlx 5y ago

> like twitter and facebook must be mandated by law to provide access to their networks to smaller networks. makes no sense. you can already pull all your data out of those services and import it into whatever other service you want.

dane-pgp 5y ago
Are you suggesting that someone who wants to publish their latest Facebook post to their Twitter followers needs to export all their Facebook data, select just one specific post from the dumped data, and then import that dumped post into Twitter? I mean, that's theoretically possible, but it's not the most convenient workflow, and you run the risk that any tooling designed to automate it is frequently broken by deliberately incompatible changes made by Facebook or Twitter (or whichever other services you are using, in the general case). Fundamentally the data belongs to the users, not to the platforms, so it is right that governments mandate that the data be able to flow according to the users' wishes. All property rights are legal fictions, especially "intellectual property" rights, but at least in this case the property right being defined is a socially beneficial one.
dureuill 5y ago
This is not what I mean. I mean make it mandatory for these networks to allow interconnection with eg the fediverse, so that I can connect with people on Facebook or Twitter without having an account on these services myself. Currently users are captive to a network, not due to an impossibility to recover their data, but due to the fact that their friends are using that network and that network is not interoperable. Basically I think networks like Facebook and Twitter are so big at this point that they should be infrastructure.