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> EU officials have agreed on landmark rules I'm not sure what this means in terms of the timeline. Will it be voted for in European Parliament and if yes, whe

> EU officials have agreed on landmark rules I'm not sure what this means in terms of the timeline. Will it be voted for in European Parliament and if yes, when? To what extent this may be changed in the final edition? And if it's adopted as a law, how much of a grace period will the companies have?

Zenst 5y ago
Yes, somewhat reminded that some things move slow. Of note I remember the whole Microsoft monoply for web browser fiasco by the EU with the time they got around to a rulling/actioning, Google had come out of no were and usurped Microsoft as the dominante browser.
- elcomet 5y ago
  Why do you say it was a fiasco ? It seems to have worked as expected, browsers are much better than IE from those days due to competition.
  - Zenst 5y ago
    Time they did anything, the problem/market had sorted itself out.
    - zdkl 5y ago
      You believe the (very public) inquiries had no effect on the market?
      - philjohn 5y ago
        I don't - I think a better product came along, one that was aggressively pushed by the dominant search engine that swathes of the internet used each day (which is not in and of itself a good thing either, FWIW).
        bergie 5y ago
        Microsoft couldn’t employ their standard anticompetitive playbook on Chrome due to the antitrust process. So that gave it a chance to become viable.
        LadyCailin 5y ago
        Maybe you’re right in this case, but I find it impossible to believe that apple would allow third party apps ever, if not for regulatory intervention. Given that the existence of Android has not caused that to happen naturally yet, there’s basically no other chance that any other market player would be able to reasonably upset that. Same with google search, Bing and Baidu have a laughably small market share in search, despite both being multibillion dollar companies behind them. And forget small players like DDG or Pinephone, they don’t even register on the charts. So yeah, market regulation is necessary here, I’d rather roll back useless regulation later than continue with the status quo.
      - emteycz 5y ago
        I don't remember any public inquires having any kind of effect. I remember Chrome being much better and people switching because of that.
ganzuul 5y ago
If you start doing the right thing now not only can you beat the competition, you don't need a grace period.
arlcode 5y ago
The trilog between the parliament and the member states decided upon a text. Next each chamber will vote on it but this is usually just a formality since they gave the negotiators a mandate beforehand. If it passes, the text will become a EU directive which needs to be incorporated into national law by the member states. After that it becomes enforceable.
- the_duke 5y ago
  Edit: whoops
  - arlcode 5y ago
    I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_%28European_Union%29?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_%28European_Union%29... Regulations can built upon the foundations laid down by directives and they apply directly.
- M2Ys4U 5y ago
  >If it passes, the text will become a EU directive which needs to be incorporated into national law by the member states. The DMA is a Regulation, not a Directive. It doesn't need to be transposed in to national law in member states. Regulations become law across the whole EU (and usually the EEA as well) as soon as they are published in the Official Journal.
  - arlcode 5y ago
    Aaah damn it you are right. For some reason I thought it was a directive... Too late to edit my comment.
kmlx 5y ago
lots of confusion in this comment. > Will it be voted for in European Parliament and if yes, when? the European Parliament only votes on a text. It cannot take decisions by itself. it can only present a voted upon text to the EU Council. and even then it's not a given it will become a directive. > And if it's adopted as a law There is no such thing as a "law" in the European Union. (Simplified) The EU has directives and regulations. Text is drafted by the EU Commission, which is then sent to the EU Parliament which is then sent to the EU Council. And the same text can bounce between those institutions for some time. Finally, if all goes well, it becomes an EU Directive. After this member states have a few years to put the Directive into national law. This process is extremely cumbersome, full of gotcha's, and overall, inefficient, but it's the best thing these politicians came up with. Most likely the next level of simplification would normally involve some sort of federal union.
- eterevsky 5y ago
  > lots of confusion in this comment. That's why I'm asking these questions. I still don't quite understand on which stage this initiative is at the moment and how long until it is enforced.
  - toyg 5y ago
    One thing is the formal process, another the practical one. It's like nominating a new UK Prime Minister: nominally it's the Queen doing something, in practice it's parliamentarians agreeing on a name through some sort of meeting of leaders. The formal process of EU approval for directives and regulations resulted in certain practical norms. Basically, representatives for the three main organs (EUParliament, EUCouncil - i.e. national ministers - and EUCommission) sooner or later have to sit down and bang together a compromise on texts put forward by one or more of them. This is where we are today, this is what's been reported - that step has been completed. Now the text gets put through the formal process, and it should be guaranteed to pass (bar surprising developments or upsets, like a country switching government and hence reneging on their position or EUParliament being particularly angry about specific bits of the text). In terms of speed of approval this can be as short as a week, for the urgent stuff, but this will probably take a bit more as lobbyists will now go in overdrive trying to delay the cut-off enforcement dates that the text will contain. In terms of distance from enforcement, this sort of world-changing rule typically gets put into force on 1 January of some future year. I reckon 1 January 2023 looks good, but we'll have to see the actual text to know for sure.

Zenst 5y ago

Yes, somewhat reminded that some things move slow. Of note I remember the whole Microsoft monoply for web browser fiasco by the EU with the time they got around to a rulling/actioning, Google had come out of no were and usurped Microsoft as the dominante browser.

elcomet 5y ago
Why do you say it was a fiasco ? It seems to have worked as expected, browsers are much better than IE from those days due to competition.
- Zenst 5y ago
  Time they did anything, the problem/market had sorted itself out.
  - zdkl 5y ago
    You believe the (very public) inquiries had no effect on the market?
    - philjohn 5y ago
      I don't - I think a better product came along, one that was aggressively pushed by the dominant search engine that swathes of the internet used each day (which is not in and of itself a good thing either, FWIW).
      - bergie 5y ago
        Microsoft couldn’t employ their standard anticompetitive playbook on Chrome due to the antitrust process. So that gave it a chance to become viable.
      - LadyCailin 5y ago
        Maybe you’re right in this case, but I find it impossible to believe that apple would allow third party apps ever, if not for regulatory intervention. Given that the existence of Android has not caused that to happen naturally yet, there’s basically no other chance that any other market player would be able to reasonably upset that. Same with google search, Bing and Baidu have a laughably small market share in search, despite both being multibillion dollar companies behind them. And forget small players like DDG or Pinephone, they don’t even register on the charts. So yeah, market regulation is necessary here, I’d rather roll back useless regulation later than continue with the status quo.
    - emteycz 5y ago
      I don't remember any public inquires having any kind of effect. I remember Chrome being much better and people switching because of that.

ganzuul 5y ago

If you start doing the right thing now not only can you beat the competition, you don't need a grace period.

arlcode 5y ago

The trilog between the parliament and the member states decided upon a text. Next each chamber will vote on it but this is usually just a formality since they gave the negotiators a mandate beforehand. If it passes, the text will become a EU directive which needs to be incorporated into national law by the member states. After that it becomes enforceable.

the_duke 5y ago
Edit: whoops
- arlcode 5y ago
  I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_%28European_Union%29?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_%28European_Union%29... Regulations can built upon the foundations laid down by directives and they apply directly.
M2Ys4U 5y ago
>If it passes, the text will become a EU directive which needs to be incorporated into national law by the member states. The DMA is a Regulation, not a Directive. It doesn't need to be transposed in to national law in member states. Regulations become law across the whole EU (and usually the EEA as well) as soon as they are published in the Official Journal.
- arlcode 5y ago
  Aaah damn it you are right. For some reason I thought it was a directive... Too late to edit my comment.

kmlx 5y ago

lots of confusion in this comment. > Will it be voted for in European Parliament and if yes, when? the European Parliament only votes on a text. It cannot take decisions by itself. it can only present a voted upon text to the EU Council. and even then it's not a given it will become a directive. > And if it's adopted as a law There is no such thing as a "law" in the European Union. (Simplified) The EU has directives and regulations. Text is drafted by the EU Commission, which is then sent to the EU Parliament which is then sent to the EU Council. And the same text can bounce between those institutions for some time. Finally, if all goes well, it becomes an EU Directive. After this member states have a few years to put the Directive into national law. This process is extremely cumbersome, full of gotcha's, and overall, inefficient, but it's the best thing these politicians came up with. Most likely the next level of simplification would normally involve some sort of federal union.

eterevsky 5y ago
> lots of confusion in this comment. That's why I'm asking these questions. I still don't quite understand on which stage this initiative is at the moment and how long until it is enforced.
- toyg 5y ago
  One thing is the formal process, another the practical one. It's like nominating a new UK Prime Minister: nominally it's the Queen doing something, in practice it's parliamentarians agreeing on a name through some sort of meeting of leaders. The formal process of EU approval for directives and regulations resulted in certain practical norms. Basically, representatives for the three main organs (EUParliament, EUCouncil - i.e. national ministers - and EUCommission) sooner or later have to sit down and bang together a compromise on texts put forward by one or more of them. This is where we are today, this is what's been reported - that step has been completed. Now the text gets put through the formal process, and it should be guaranteed to pass (bar surprising developments or upsets, like a country switching government and hence reneging on their position or EUParliament being particularly angry about specific bits of the text). In terms of speed of approval this can be as short as a week, for the urgent stuff, but this will probably take a bit more as lobbyists will now go in overdrive trying to delay the cut-off enforcement dates that the text will contain. In terms of distance from enforcement, this sort of world-changing rule typically gets put into force on 1 January of some future year. I reckon 1 January 2023 looks good, but we'll have to see the actual text to know for sure.