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Then I would question what material they were learning, or how much effort they actually expended. I've watched even the worst songwriters and performers find s

by bryans 5y ago

Then I would question what material they were learning, or how much effort they actually expended. I've watched even the worst songwriters and performers find success by grinding away at the right stones, so "I know a guy who tried Facebook ads and it didn't work" doesn't mean anything.

whiddershins 5y ago
I don’t know who you are or what your perspective is but I am a music industry professional in New York. I also don’t know how you are defining success. I also don’t know all your marketing knowledge. Maybe you know a whole set of things I am completely unaware of. What I do know is success as an artist seems to be a weird blend of savvy, talent, luck … and who knows what else. I have a bad reaction when people make blanket statements like you are doing, because it has a hint of victim blaming.
- bryans 5y ago
  It's somewhat disturbing that you would claim I'm "victim blaming" by asking for details on what these "unsuccessful marketing musicians" actually studied. "Victim" is a wholly inappropriate word to describe being unsuccessful at something. You initially added nothing to the conversation, except for a very brief and vague claim about how you may know some people who contradict my own experiences. So, I'm not sure what kind of response you were hoping for, but a little snark never hurt anyone, and you're overreacting to it. If you have an actual example of a musician who studied marketing and business but was unsuccessful, I'd love to hear about it, because I've simply never seen it happen.
  - whiddershins 5y ago
    I would never refer to a specific real life artist as an example of a failure! I genuinely think you might have access to knowledge or perspective I lack, and I would be very curious whether there are specific materials or resources you would recommend.
whiddershins 5y ago
On a more productive note, how would you suggest an artist best educate themselves about critically impactful marketing and related topics?

by bryans 5y ago

whiddershins 5y ago

I don’t know who you are or what your perspective is but I am a music industry professional in New York. I also don’t know how you are defining success. I also don’t know all your marketing knowledge. Maybe you know a whole set of things I am completely unaware of. What I do know is success as an artist seems to be a weird blend of savvy, talent, luck … and who knows what else. I have a bad reaction when people make blanket statements like you are doing, because it has a hint of victim blaming.

bryans 5y ago
It's somewhat disturbing that you would claim I'm "victim blaming" by asking for details on what these "unsuccessful marketing musicians" actually studied. "Victim" is a wholly inappropriate word to describe being unsuccessful at something. You initially added nothing to the conversation, except for a very brief and vague claim about how you may know some people who contradict my own experiences. So, I'm not sure what kind of response you were hoping for, but a little snark never hurt anyone, and you're overreacting to it. If you have an actual example of a musician who studied marketing and business but was unsuccessful, I'd love to hear about it, because I've simply never seen it happen.
- whiddershins 5y ago
  I would never refer to a specific real life artist as an example of a failure! I genuinely think you might have access to knowledge or perspective I lack, and I would be very curious whether there are specific materials or resources you would recommend.

whiddershins 5y ago

On a more productive note, how would you suggest an artist best educate themselves about critically impactful marketing and related topics?