4 ms·

Yep. It's the miscellaneous everything bucket. It also seems to only be motivated by either scarce screen real estate (it first showed up in mobile interfaces),

Yep. It's the miscellaneous everything bucket. It also seems to only be motivated by either scarce screen real estate (it first showed up in mobile interfaces), or graphic designers who think everything is "clutter" and by sweeping it away into the hamburger menu they can have their beautiful screenshot-worthy interface. I have a 27" monitor, but tons of websites and even Firefox itself hide half the functionality behind a hamburger.

prox 5y ago
Originally the top menu was to have a way to access to all functions. Many still do (say LibreOffice) The hamburger is kind of a weird breed of design signaling because of it. In some desktop apps it still is the original top menu, but not always. On websites and apps it can vary tremendously. However, a top menu is not an expert level mode, it’s a beginners / proficient level mode. Expert level means using keyboard shortcuts. Context driven display and modes are far more valuable when meeting spacial constraints. But that can be hard when you are dealing with many form factors and so the quick fix is the hamburger.
- hulitu 5y ago
  > Expert level means using keyboard shortcuts. This is true when you use only an editor and a debugger. When you need to use 10 programs each with its own keyboard shorcuts (which, BTW you need to search in internet which they are because the company doing the software did not bother to make them accessible in a help menu) you're gonna have a hard time. In the (1985) past you had for such things a holder attached to your keyboard where you had a listing of those keyboard shortcuts. Now the world has evolved and we have ... tada... the hamburger menu. P.S. I would not feel good as a developer to know that someone , somewhere curses me and my family constantly for the work i done.
  - microtonal 5y ago
    which, BTW you need to search in internet which they are because the company doing the software did not bother to make them accessible in a help menu At least on macOS and Windows the shortcuts are shown in the (traditional) menu bar. With GNOME's use of hamburgers, it's anyone's guess. As someone who likes shortcuts, I found it very hard to figure out shortcuts in GNOME apps that have a lot of functionality hidden away. (Aside from keyboard shortcuts not being very consistent between apps on Linux.)
    - hulitu 5y ago
      In Excel 365 pressing ALT shows the shortcut key in the ribbon ( if enabled in options). The issue is that the ribbon looks now like google maps. In Edge pressing ALT sets the focus to the "...". What to do next is left as an exercise for the reader. In Teams, pressing ALT does nothing and the Help button has only "Themes", "News" and "Training" .
klibertp 5y ago
In Firefox, on Linux at least, when you press Alt you get a bar with all the standard File/Edit/View/History/Bookmarks/Tools/Help menus. In each menu and then in each item there's one letter underlined and it works as it should, so a sequence of Alt, h, a, will give you an About dialog (for example). The fact that the menu bar is not displayed by default doesn't bother me, because I don't use mouse to navigate the menus, and from keyboard I'd need the Alt key press anyway. Slightly related: somehow, FF on Linux allows you to rearrange tabs from keyboard. Ctrl+Shift+PgUp/PgDown move the current tab left or right. As far as I can tell, this feature is only available on Linux. I have no idea why. It's much more convenient than dragging the tabs with mouse, because you don't have to worry about accidentally detaching the tab into its own window.

prox 5y ago

Originally the top menu was to have a way to access to all functions. Many still do (say LibreOffice) The hamburger is kind of a weird breed of design signaling because of it. In some desktop apps it still is the original top menu, but not always. On websites and apps it can vary tremendously. However, a top menu is not an expert level mode, it’s a beginners / proficient level mode. Expert level means using keyboard shortcuts. Context driven display and modes are far more valuable when meeting spacial constraints. But that can be hard when you are dealing with many form factors and so the quick fix is the hamburger.

hulitu 5y ago
> Expert level means using keyboard shortcuts. This is true when you use only an editor and a debugger. When you need to use 10 programs each with its own keyboard shorcuts (which, BTW you need to search in internet which they are because the company doing the software did not bother to make them accessible in a help menu) you're gonna have a hard time. In the (1985) past you had for such things a holder attached to your keyboard where you had a listing of those keyboard shortcuts. Now the world has evolved and we have ... tada... the hamburger menu. P.S. I would not feel good as a developer to know that someone , somewhere curses me and my family constantly for the work i done.
- microtonal 5y ago
  which, BTW you need to search in internet which they are because the company doing the software did not bother to make them accessible in a help menu At least on macOS and Windows the shortcuts are shown in the (traditional) menu bar. With GNOME's use of hamburgers, it's anyone's guess. As someone who likes shortcuts, I found it very hard to figure out shortcuts in GNOME apps that have a lot of functionality hidden away. (Aside from keyboard shortcuts not being very consistent between apps on Linux.)
  - hulitu 5y ago
    In Excel 365 pressing ALT shows the shortcut key in the ribbon ( if enabled in options). The issue is that the ribbon looks now like google maps. In Edge pressing ALT sets the focus to the "...". What to do next is left as an exercise for the reader. In Teams, pressing ALT does nothing and the Help button has only "Themes", "News" and "Training" .

klibertp 5y ago

In Firefox, on Linux at least, when you press Alt you get a bar with all the standard File/Edit/View/History/Bookmarks/Tools/Help menus. In each menu and then in each item there's one letter underlined and it works as it should, so a sequence of Alt, h, a, will give you an About dialog (for example). The fact that the menu bar is not displayed by default doesn't bother me, because I don't use mouse to navigate the menus, and from keyboard I'd need the Alt key press anyway. Slightly related: somehow, FF on Linux allows you to rearrange tabs from keyboard. Ctrl+Shift+PgUp/PgDown move the current tab left or right. As far as I can tell, this feature is only available on Linux. I have no idea why. It's much more convenient than dragging the tabs with mouse, because you don't have to worry about accidentally detaching the tab into its own window.