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>> this makes you lose all your privacy > The alternative (advertising) is not better. Umm, adblockers, tor and whatnot can help with ads tracking and but you

>> this makes you lose all your privacy > The alternative (advertising) is not better. Umm, adblockers, tor and whatnot can help with ads tracking and but you can't take back your privacy once you've given identifying information. >> exclude all the people in the world who either don't have a credit card, or don't want to use one. > Advertising also excludes everyone except a tiny minority (the advertisers) who are allowed to call the shots because they’re paying the bills. You have no idea how extremely white this part of the internet is that we're currently on. Comparing not having credit card to having ads in your browser is ridiculously out of touch with reality.

Nextgrid 5y ago
> adblockers, tor and whatnot can help with ads tracking Ad-blockers only work as long as there's a majority who does not use them. If everyone uses ad-blockers, the system collapses. Furthermore, ad-blockers encourage a game of cat & mouse where both the provider and the consumer are constantly at odds, with nasty side-effects like alternative clients being forbidden, etc. > you can't take back your privacy once you've given identifying information. My argument is that you should be able to give identifying information without it being abused for nefarious purposes. > You have no idea how extremely white this part of the internet is that we're currently on Oh come on, there was no need to bring race into this. But hey, if that's your argument, I'd say that having a bunch of white tech-bros in the ad & social media industry control the entire communications infrastructure and social fabric of "non-white" (to use your words) nations is not better. > Comparing not having credit card to having ads in your browser is ridiculously out of touch with reality. Do you really think that ad-supported platforms just offer service to the credit-card-less third-world for free? No, they do so because there are advertisers who are happy to pay, and those advertisers in turn know how to get their money back (and more than that) from those people without credit cards.

Nextgrid 5y ago

> adblockers, tor and whatnot can help with ads tracking Ad-blockers only work as long as there's a majority who does not use them. If everyone uses ad-blockers, the system collapses. Furthermore, ad-blockers encourage a game of cat & mouse where both the provider and the consumer are constantly at odds, with nasty side-effects like alternative clients being forbidden, etc. > you can't take back your privacy once you've given identifying information. My argument is that you should be able to give identifying information without it being abused for nefarious purposes. > You have no idea how extremely white this part of the internet is that we're currently on Oh come on, there was no need to bring race into this. But hey, if that's your argument, I'd say that having a bunch of white tech-bros in the ad & social media industry control the entire communications infrastructure and social fabric of "non-white" (to use your words) nations is not better. > Comparing not having credit card to having ads in your browser is ridiculously out of touch with reality. Do you really think that ad-supported platforms just offer service to the credit-card-less third-world for free? No, they do so because there are advertisers who are happy to pay, and those advertisers in turn know how to get their money back (and more than that) from those people without credit cards.