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I would say hormone blockers in prepubescent teens without parental consent is not treading lightly. The de-transition community on reddit and Twitter can more

I would say hormone blockers in prepubescent teens without parental consent is not treading lightly. The de-transition community on reddit and Twitter can more concretely explain and show the harm being done under the desire to be blindly supportive and affirming.

fzeroracer 5y ago
Hormone blockers in prepubescent teens has been used for decades before transgender people had the option available. It was frequently used to treat people going through early puberty. We know how safe and effective they are because we have a whole body of scientific literature around people being on hormone blockers for 5-6+ years. It's only as a result of the fear around transgender people that this is causing problems and, as usual, it also affects cisgender children because they issue blanket bans on treatments.
- pcmoney 5y ago
  On a case by case basis, sure. However we are seeing a mass psychosis around trans identity in middle school. The rates of middle school girls identifying as something other than CIS are reaching levels as high as 40% in some school districts. Maybe that is not a problem for some but that will be a problem for society in about a generation.
  - Jim_Heckler 5y ago
    > The rates of middle school girls identifying as something other than CIS are reaching levels as high as 40% in some school districts. > Maybe that is not a problem for some but that will be a problem for society in about a generation. Why will that be a problem for society?
    - azth 5y ago
      It's easy to look at all the forums where people regretted what they did. These fads are not reversible, and when people grow out of them, as many are, there will be ill effects on society.
    - pcmoney 5y ago
      Bluntly society exists to serve current and future generations. All future generations are predicated on a nuclear family. No significantly large human cultures without a basis around a nuclear family have survived from an evolutionary perspective. For society to continue to exist it needs to primarily serve and be determined by people who meet, have kids, and form a nuclear family. While there are societies that do not do this they do not last more than a generation or two at the most. While good societies should be inclusive and welcoming of non paired or alternative lifestyles they by definition need to remain alternative for society to continue to flourish or else the society dies as its members do. We already have a birth rate below replacement rate. Societies where that is the trend typically do not last long either and have some fairly bad outcomes while they disappear.
dwaltrip 5y ago
Yeah I agree that hormone blockers in teens is not an action to take lightly (my understanding is that it is not reversible). I don’t have a ton of knowledge on it, but it seems we should be careful with that.
- mensetmanusman 5y ago
  Note that there is no ethical way to determine if hormone blockers on children are nonreversible due to the known long term possible side effects of any medication.

fzeroracer 5y ago

Hormone blockers in prepubescent teens has been used for decades before transgender people had the option available. It was frequently used to treat people going through early puberty. We know how safe and effective they are because we have a whole body of scientific literature around people being on hormone blockers for 5-6+ years. It's only as a result of the fear around transgender people that this is causing problems and, as usual, it also affects cisgender children because they issue blanket bans on treatments.

pcmoney 5y ago
On a case by case basis, sure. However we are seeing a mass psychosis around trans identity in middle school. The rates of middle school girls identifying as something other than CIS are reaching levels as high as 40% in some school districts. Maybe that is not a problem for some but that will be a problem for society in about a generation.
- Jim_Heckler 5y ago
  > The rates of middle school girls identifying as something other than CIS are reaching levels as high as 40% in some school districts. > Maybe that is not a problem for some but that will be a problem for society in about a generation. Why will that be a problem for society?
  - azth 5y ago
    It's easy to look at all the forums where people regretted what they did. These fads are not reversible, and when people grow out of them, as many are, there will be ill effects on society.
  - pcmoney 5y ago
    Bluntly society exists to serve current and future generations. All future generations are predicated on a nuclear family. No significantly large human cultures without a basis around a nuclear family have survived from an evolutionary perspective. For society to continue to exist it needs to primarily serve and be determined by people who meet, have kids, and form a nuclear family. While there are societies that do not do this they do not last more than a generation or two at the most. While good societies should be inclusive and welcoming of non paired or alternative lifestyles they by definition need to remain alternative for society to continue to flourish or else the society dies as its members do. We already have a birth rate below replacement rate. Societies where that is the trend typically do not last long either and have some fairly bad outcomes while they disappear.

dwaltrip 5y ago

Yeah I agree that hormone blockers in teens is not an action to take lightly (my understanding is that it is not reversible). I don’t have a ton of knowledge on it, but it seems we should be careful with that.

mensetmanusman 5y ago
Note that there is no ethical way to determine if hormone blockers on children are nonreversible due to the known long term possible side effects of any medication.