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I noticed that public ipfs is used to host image files for NFTs. NFT marketplace websites serve the images quickly enough. I wonder how perkeep would perform i

I noticed that public ipfs is used to host image files for NFTs. NFT marketplace websites serve the images quickly enough. I wonder how perkeep would perform in that situation.

Animats 5y ago
Well, we're going to find out how well IPFS does under heavy load. This crypto startup plans to host streaming porn on IPFS.[1] [1] https://sugarbounce.com/ https://sugarbounce.com/
- sneak 5y ago
  ipfs is a transport, not a host.
  - 3np 5y ago
    s/host on/serve via/
    - Animats 5y ago
      IPFS is a wide-area storage network, but it's seen as a storage service by users.[1] [1] https://ipfs.io/ https://ipfs.io/
- encryptluks2 5y ago
  As with most tokens, seems like a big scam built on hype of Web3 technologies.
- hecturchi 5y ago
  IPFS is already used to stream (porn and not porn), mostly Chinese apps with 50k+ users at least. Not the kind of projects that make noise on HN etc though.
yawnxyz 5y ago
I think most NFT marketplaces cache the images on a server to serve them faster, only pulling from the IPFS file if they have to
kkielhofner 5y ago
The majority of NFTs are hosted on HTTP/HTTPS: https://yournfts.org/#stats https://yournfts.org/#stats OpenSea uses Google Images! As others have noted no matter what these marketplaces all cache the tried and proven Web2 way with the usual large CDN providers, etc.
- vmception 5y ago
  9% onchain is much greater than I thought! I’m actually impressed But I bet a large breakdown of that is spammier NFTs that use string concatenation and svg rendering such as MLOOT Also of the HTTPS I bet much of that is Pinata or Cloudflare which are just pinning services for IPFS In any case I’m actually impressed by these numbers and expect them to further improve away from HTTPS
  - kkielhofner 5y ago
    Yes, virtually all of the on-chain NFTs are SVGs. For what it's worth I've spoken with the creator of this project. They're well aware many of the NFTs hosted on IPFS have an HTTPS URI pointing to a gateway. That's easy to parse and they included these results as IPFS. There's also Arweave and various other decentralized approaches. Actually Arwave is interesting because if all of the Ethereum NFT assets were added to Arweave it would increase the size of bytes on Arweave by 50%... Also, many of the IPFS pinning providers host their entire infra on AWS or some other centralized big cloud provider. Makes sense but further points to how hard truly decentralized really is (see Arweave stats).
    - vmception 5y ago
      I have no issue with svgs, that’s good and desired, a lot of them are really clever, MLOOT (More Loot) on the other hand is a strange game and I hope that style doesn’t catch on > They're well aware many of the NFTs hosted on IPFS have an HTTPS URI pointing to a gateway. That's easy to parse and they included these results as IPFS. Glad to see! Can that info be added to the blog? Yeah I think the paid pinning services should only be a stopgap solution. I think purchasers of NFTs should pin their own and someone should make it easy for them to do that. I bet you could include code for that within the NFT classes, just like how people ram dynamic svg code into them. For collections like PFPs I think projects can incentivize staking+pinning for extra rewards like slowly over time minting an additional nft for people that do it, or separate nft/token for a parallel collection. (Like if mutant ape serum was only claimable by ape holders that helped pin the collection on ipfs) I need to look at Airweave closer! But yes this will improve the nft concept very well, and glad to see the path for improvement is happening so fast, money chasers are following the same tutorials.

I noticed that public ipfs is used to host image files for NFTs. NFT marketplace websites serve the images quickly enough. I wonder how perkeep would perform in that situation.

Animats 5y ago

Well, we're going to find out how well IPFS does under heavy load. This crypto startup plans to host streaming porn on IPFS.[1] [1] https://sugarbounce.com/ https://sugarbounce.com/

sneak 5y ago
ipfs is a transport, not a host.
- 3np 5y ago
  s/host on/serve via/
  - Animats 5y ago
    IPFS is a wide-area storage network, but it's seen as a storage service by users.[1] [1] https://ipfs.io/ https://ipfs.io/
encryptluks2 5y ago
As with most tokens, seems like a big scam built on hype of Web3 technologies.
hecturchi 5y ago
IPFS is already used to stream (porn and not porn), mostly Chinese apps with 50k+ users at least. Not the kind of projects that make noise on HN etc though.

yawnxyz 5y ago

I think most NFT marketplaces cache the images on a server to serve them faster, only pulling from the IPFS file if they have to

kkielhofner 5y ago

The majority of NFTs are hosted on HTTP/HTTPS: https://yournfts.org/#stats https://yournfts.org/#stats OpenSea uses Google Images! As others have noted no matter what these marketplaces all cache the tried and proven Web2 way with the usual large CDN providers, etc.

vmception 5y ago
9% onchain is much greater than I thought! I’m actually impressed But I bet a large breakdown of that is spammier NFTs that use string concatenation and svg rendering such as MLOOT Also of the HTTPS I bet much of that is Pinata or Cloudflare which are just pinning services for IPFS In any case I’m actually impressed by these numbers and expect them to further improve away from HTTPS
- kkielhofner 5y ago
  Yes, virtually all of the on-chain NFTs are SVGs. For what it's worth I've spoken with the creator of this project. They're well aware many of the NFTs hosted on IPFS have an HTTPS URI pointing to a gateway. That's easy to parse and they included these results as IPFS. There's also Arweave and various other decentralized approaches. Actually Arwave is interesting because if all of the Ethereum NFT assets were added to Arweave it would increase the size of bytes on Arweave by 50%... Also, many of the IPFS pinning providers host their entire infra on AWS or some other centralized big cloud provider. Makes sense but further points to how hard truly decentralized really is (see Arweave stats).
  - vmception 5y ago
    I have no issue with svgs, that’s good and desired, a lot of them are really clever, MLOOT (More Loot) on the other hand is a strange game and I hope that style doesn’t catch on > They're well aware many of the NFTs hosted on IPFS have an HTTPS URI pointing to a gateway. That's easy to parse and they included these results as IPFS. Glad to see! Can that info be added to the blog? Yeah I think the paid pinning services should only be a stopgap solution. I think purchasers of NFTs should pin their own and someone should make it easy for them to do that. I bet you could include code for that within the NFT classes, just like how people ram dynamic svg code into them. For collections like PFPs I think projects can incentivize staking+pinning for extra rewards like slowly over time minting an additional nft for people that do it, or separate nft/token for a parallel collection. (Like if mutant ape serum was only claimable by ape holders that helped pin the collection on ipfs) I need to look at Airweave closer! But yes this will improve the nft concept very well, and glad to see the path for improvement is happening so fast, money chasers are following the same tutorials.