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In 99.9 % of the cases you can tell women and men apart in a fraction of a second. We can identify sex from the bones of million-year-old humanoids. For the bur

In 99.9 % of the cases you can tell women and men apart in a fraction of a second. We can identify sex from the bones of million-year-old humanoids. For the burka-dressed robbers we could identify they were men just by their gait. You're trying to make it seem like the 0.1 % means we can't know anything about anything.

dwaltrip 5y ago
Perhaps I can summarize my position more clearly: 1) We've fucked up in this area before (e.g. being gay was considered a medical disorder), so let's be really careful to not fuck it up again. 2) Humans are vastly complicated systems and our understanding has grown immensely in recent centuries. So arguments like "aspect X of the human experience has always been understood this way" should be taken with a huge grain of salt, especially when people are making scientific claims (e.g. in this case, about biology / psychology). 3) Unless if I have a good reason not too, take people at face value. Treat them with respect. Make small concessions even if I don't fully understand why they want it. It doesn't cost me much, and it makes them happy.
- gaganyaan 5y ago
  Saying "people have made mistakes before" and "it's complicated" is just... not a convincing argument. You can literally do that with any topic anywhere.
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- water8 5y ago
  The problem is that we’re treating personal discoveries like they are universally applicable. Always treat people with respect, but don’t allow pseudoscience to propagate just because you dont want to hurt their feelings. I’ve been through enough coding interviews to know that y’all don’t care that much about hurting peoples feelings =P
- zen_1 5y ago
  "Unless if I have a good reason not too, take people at face value." I disagree with this. Or rather, I think there are always a plethora of good reasons not to take people (that you don't already know well and trust) at face value.

dwaltrip 5y ago

Perhaps I can summarize my position more clearly: 1) We've fucked up in this area before (e.g. being gay was considered a medical disorder), so let's be really careful to not fuck it up again. 2) Humans are vastly complicated systems and our understanding has grown immensely in recent centuries. So arguments like "aspect X of the human experience has always been understood this way" should be taken with a huge grain of salt, especially when people are making scientific claims (e.g. in this case, about biology / psychology). 3) Unless if I have a good reason not too, take people at face value. Treat them with respect. Make small concessions even if I don't fully understand why they want it. It doesn't cost me much, and it makes them happy.

gaganyaan 5y ago
Saying "people have made mistakes before" and "it's complicated" is just... not a convincing argument. You can literally do that with any topic anywhere.
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water8 5y ago
The problem is that we’re treating personal discoveries like they are universally applicable. Always treat people with respect, but don’t allow pseudoscience to propagate just because you dont want to hurt their feelings. I’ve been through enough coding interviews to know that y’all don’t care that much about hurting peoples feelings =P
zen_1 5y ago
"Unless if I have a good reason not too, take people at face value." I disagree with this. Or rather, I think there are always a plethora of good reasons not to take people (that you don't already know well and trust) at face value.