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The old button was good in the desktop context, but I can't get behind this point: > The design even works very well on Linux phone formfactors. The author mu

The old button was good in the desktop context, but I can't get behind this point: > The design even works very well on Linux phone formfactors. The author must mean something very different when they say "works very well" than I do when I say that. As much as I want it to, nothing about GTK works well in a phone form factor, IME. I look forward to continued improvement that will make that statement incorrect.

xedrac 5y ago
I for one don't want the phone form factor to influence my desktop experience. They are two completely different workflows that have conflicting needs IMO.
- zozbot234 5y ago
  The main influence so far has been enabling smaller window sizes for gtk+3/libhandy apps, which is good for all users especially those on older, lower-res hardware. Hopefully libadwaita can get forked into something like a libhandy equivalent for gtk+4, that otherwise preserves sane defaults doesn't enforce their silly "flat" theme choices.
  - traverseda 5y ago
    >The main influence so far has been enabling smaller window sizes for gtk+3/libhandy apps I don't think so, touch targets are a lot bigger. Using the default theme for both a KDE App with equivalent functionality will take a fair bit less space than a similar gnome app. Of course I think plasma mobile uses a theme that makes the touch targets bigger... KDE also manages to get a lot more functionality into their similarily sized windows. Take a look at this page showing comparisons: https://www.linuxadictos.com/en/aplicaciones-de-gnome-y-aplicaciones-de-kde-puestas-frente-a-frente-porque-los-escritorios-no-son-solo-sus-entornos-graficos-de.html https://www.linuxadictos.com/en/aplicaciones-de-gnome-y-apli...
- linguae 5y ago
  Agreed. The major sin of modern UI/UX is the desire to create a one-size-fits-all experience that works for both touch devices and desktops, when in reality the work styles of touch devices and desktops are very different. Unfortunately Windows (since Windows 8), macOS (since Big Sur), and GNOME (since GNOME 3) have sought (and continue to seek) these unified designs that work okay on touch devices but are a downgrade on desktops. The desktop reached its zenith in the late 2000s with Windows 7, Mac OS X Snow Leopard, GNOME 2, and KDE 3, and today's desktops are a downgrade from these (though KDE Plasma is nice and is an improvement over KDE 3). I'll go as far as to say that the desktop experience hasn't received much love by major software companies; since the late 2000s the money has gone toward smartphones, tablets, and the Web. Since those platforms get the attention, the desktop is increasingly getting populated with ports of smartphone and Web apps; hence, Windows Metro/UWP, Catalyst, Electron, and the like.

xedrac 5y ago

I for one don't want the phone form factor to influence my desktop experience. They are two completely different workflows that have conflicting needs IMO.

zozbot234 5y ago
The main influence so far has been enabling smaller window sizes for gtk+3/libhandy apps, which is good for all users especially those on older, lower-res hardware. Hopefully libadwaita can get forked into something like a libhandy equivalent for gtk+4, that otherwise preserves sane defaults doesn't enforce their silly "flat" theme choices.
- traverseda 5y ago
  >The main influence so far has been enabling smaller window sizes for gtk+3/libhandy apps I don't think so, touch targets are a lot bigger. Using the default theme for both a KDE App with equivalent functionality will take a fair bit less space than a similar gnome app. Of course I think plasma mobile uses a theme that makes the touch targets bigger... KDE also manages to get a lot more functionality into their similarily sized windows. Take a look at this page showing comparisons: https://www.linuxadictos.com/en/aplicaciones-de-gnome-y-aplicaciones-de-kde-puestas-frente-a-frente-porque-los-escritorios-no-son-solo-sus-entornos-graficos-de.html https://www.linuxadictos.com/en/aplicaciones-de-gnome-y-apli...
linguae 5y ago
Agreed. The major sin of modern UI/UX is the desire to create a one-size-fits-all experience that works for both touch devices and desktops, when in reality the work styles of touch devices and desktops are very different. Unfortunately Windows (since Windows 8), macOS (since Big Sur), and GNOME (since GNOME 3) have sought (and continue to seek) these unified designs that work okay on touch devices but are a downgrade on desktops. The desktop reached its zenith in the late 2000s with Windows 7, Mac OS X Snow Leopard, GNOME 2, and KDE 3, and today's desktops are a downgrade from these (though KDE Plasma is nice and is an improvement over KDE 3). I'll go as far as to say that the desktop experience hasn't received much love by major software companies; since the late 2000s the money has gone toward smartphones, tablets, and the Web. Since those platforms get the attention, the desktop is increasingly getting populated with ports of smartphone and Web apps; hence, Windows Metro/UWP, Catalyst, Electron, and the like.