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The don't theme my app people were complaining about their bug trackers being full of theme-related issues. Instead of just setting up a filter rule in their tr

The don't theme my app people were complaining about their bug trackers being full of theme-related issues. Instead of just setting up a filter rule in their tracker so they could ignore those issues, they decided to go super draconian and remove theming for the entire desktop. That disproportionate response to what comes down to an organizational shortcoming on their end made people upset, I'm not sure what they expected.

jeroenhd 5y ago
Note that they don't care about the themes their end users pick, though. You can theme your app just fine. They just want operating systems using their software (with their logos, trademarks and support links) to stop shipping their custom themes by default. They just don't want Canonical or Fedora to ship a theme that makes all applications that didn't come bundled look like shit. If you like the Windows 95 Hotdog Stand theme, you can configure that and everybody probably agrees that that's great. If you inflict that pain upon yourself, that's your problem. The current "solution" to themes breaking applications is to just not follow the system theme any longer. Everything gets packaged with a hardcoded theme in a sandboxed environment and you'll just have to live with that.
- malermeister 5y ago
  But end users use the same mechanism to theme their apps as vendors and that one is being removed.
  - lwkl 5y ago
    So what? Why should they continue to support some minor feature if it costs them a lot of resources and they think it's not worth it because it doesn't really fit their project? If you have a feature that is used by one customer out of thousands but it's causing problems at every update you push out. It might be better to remove the feature and fire the customer, than to keep supporting it no matter what.
    - malermeister 5y ago
      They're not customers though. They're an open source community. Not everything is a business and this is an anti-community move.
    - smoldesu 5y ago
      Then let them enjoy their broken interface, and, yunno, let people fix it when it breaks. Like how Open Source works.
  - notriddle 5y ago
    Exactly. Now you know why the application developers are so loud and angry. We can’t have nice things because distributions shipped broken default configurations, and that’s messed up.
    - smoldesu 5y ago
      Don't say "the application developers" like we're all one person. There are multiple GTK developers in this thread that don't care what distros ship with: this is exclusively a GNOME complaint. Don't drag the rest of us into this.

jeroenhd 5y ago

Note that they don't care about the themes their end users pick, though. You can theme your app just fine. They just want operating systems using their software (with their logos, trademarks and support links) to stop shipping their custom themes by default. They just don't want Canonical or Fedora to ship a theme that makes all applications that didn't come bundled look like shit. If you like the Windows 95 Hotdog Stand theme, you can configure that and everybody probably agrees that that's great. If you inflict that pain upon yourself, that's your problem. The current "solution" to themes breaking applications is to just not follow the system theme any longer. Everything gets packaged with a hardcoded theme in a sandboxed environment and you'll just have to live with that.

malermeister 5y ago
But end users use the same mechanism to theme their apps as vendors and that one is being removed.
- lwkl 5y ago
  So what? Why should they continue to support some minor feature if it costs them a lot of resources and they think it's not worth it because it doesn't really fit their project? If you have a feature that is used by one customer out of thousands but it's causing problems at every update you push out. It might be better to remove the feature and fire the customer, than to keep supporting it no matter what.
  - malermeister 5y ago
    They're not customers though. They're an open source community. Not everything is a business and this is an anti-community move.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    Then let them enjoy their broken interface, and, yunno, let people fix it when it breaks. Like how Open Source works.
- notriddle 5y ago
  Exactly. Now you know why the application developers are so loud and angry. We can’t have nice things because distributions shipped broken default configurations, and that’s messed up.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    Don't say "the application developers" like we're all one person. There are multiple GTK developers in this thread that don't care what distros ship with: this is exclusively a GNOME complaint. Don't drag the rest of us into this.