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>Otherwise it sounds like you don't think anyone should be able to live anywhere reasonable without roommates? I think your confusing "should be able to" with
by jpcfl 5y ago
>Otherwise it sounds like you don't think anyone should be able to live anywhere reasonable without roommates?
I think your confusing "should be able to" with "shall be able to, enforceable by law".
I don't expect that a 15 year old working his first job as a fry cook at an Arby's should be compensated enough that he can afford to live on his own. In fact, that could be dangerously disincentivizing his hard work toward his education.
- xboxnolifes 5y agoThis rationale is always based on the fact that a "teenager" doesn't need a livable wage. The problem with this, is that not every fry cook is a teenager that doesn't need to pay for food and shelter. Fast food is a $300bn industry in the US. It doesn't need to be subsidized by parents.
- redwall_hp 5y agoAlso...the whole argument falls apart when you realize fast food is open during school hours. Legal working hours for teenagers start after school and end before typical closing times.
- monkeybutton 5y agoPay should scale with the value of work produced, not the perceived "worth" of the worker. You argue with a hypothetical teenager. But what about my racist and sexist hypothetical uncle who owns an Arby's?
- ramones13 5y agoBut should a 27 year-old fry cook make enough money to live alone? Labor is labor. Pay shouldn’t be less because it’s going to an acceptable to abuse class of person.
- xapata 5y agoWhat's wrong with roommates?
- quantum_magpie 5y agoHaving roommates in a 1 bedroom apartment is quite terrible. You then need to convert (if there even is one) the living room to a second bedroom and as a result no one in the apartment has any privacy left. I have lived like that, and it's just not great for mental health.
- xapata 5y agoRoommates in a bigger apartment or house is quite reasonable. 1-bedroom apartments are more than half the price of 2-bedroom apartments, so some efficiencies can be had by sharing a kitchen.
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- scarface74 5y agoWhy is it a right to live alone?
- Bermion 5y agoWhy shouldn't someone working as a fry cook be able to live on his salary? It's not dangerous to have a system where not everyone needs a university degree to earn a living.
- ars 5y agoThink about that. Let's take your world, the fry cook can live on his salary. Now the person with a University degree can command a much higher wage since his skill is in great demand. He's got more money, so he can afford more expensive stuff, increasing demand, which increases prices, and now your fry cook can no longer live on his salary. Do you want to respond by raising wages again? You're in a never ending loop.
- sangnoir 5y ago> Now the person with a University degree can command a much higher wage since his skill is in great demand. This does not necessarily follow from the previous statement, and may even be completely unrelated.
- ars 5y agoIt's pretty much automatic. If there's more demand than supply, then companies will offer more money to hire this person with a university degree. The only way you keep this person's wage down is increase supply - have lots of people with university degrees. But that's not the real world, in the real world most people are not able to get a degree.
- sangnoir 5y ago> The only way you keep this person's wage down is increase supply - have lots of people with university degrees. Again, the second part of this statement does not necessarily follow from the first. There are countless ways of tweak supply/demand of McJobs, such as low minimum wages resulting in a glut of retail locations , changing total hours non-degreed workers (read high-schoolers) can work, adjusting rules on temp workers, community college intakes, etc. There a many variables, and increasing minimum wage impacting a subset of (mostly unskilled[0]) workers doesn't automatically mean an increase in income for skilled jobs. 0. I dislike the term, but it conveys my intended meaning. "Jobs that require no prior training" is unwieldy.
- tinco 5y agoWell thank Reagan for ruining the honest living wage forcing your lazy ass to go to college instead of wasting your talent as an Arby's fry chef.
- daniel-cussen 5y agoThose college cardboards are talismans. I was looking in the Stanford bookstore and saw the following description on a box: PRESIDENTIAL Masterpiece Diploma Frame in Jefferson with Black Suede & Premium Silver Wood Millet Mats - Stanford U $249.00
- HWR_14 5y agoI don't see why the persons age should be relevant. But given the cost of college tuition, even instate public college tuition, means he should probably make at least that much.
- jpcfl 5y agoThe age is relevant because he is a dependent and does not need to pay for any living expenses. So, forcing an employer to pay him a "living wage" makes no sense. The rationale behind that law is invalid. You can invent new rationale, as you've done here, but it doesn't change the fact that his standard of living doesn't depend on his paycheck.
- HWR_14 5y agoI'm not inventing a new rationale. I'm saying he deserves minimum wage because that's what we pay everyone. It's part of him being human. That the minimum wage has to be sufficient to allow some standard of living is also true but not relevant. Other people think that the minimum wage should only apply to adults for some reason. Thats them changing rationales. We don't have a lower minimum wage for couples or higher minimum wage for parents. And that the 15-year-old isn't spending the money right now doesn't mean he won't spend it later. But sure, If you really want I guess you could argue that we should t let teenagers work at all. After all, they don't need the money.