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You're giving them far too much credit. They're still very much trying to figure out the Napster era, as to this day they are suing pirates left and right becau

by bryans 5y ago

You're giving them far too much credit. They're still very much trying to figure out the Napster era, as to this day they are suing pirates left and right because they genuinely see that 0.01% of the market as a threat to their security.

skinnymuch 5y ago
What do you mean by pirates? RIAA is suing the distributors and creators of pirated content. They are not suing individual pirates much at all. You said “to this day…left and right” which indicates your average person as that was the most know thing they were doing before in the 00s. That’s not true any more.[0] 0. https://jolt.richmond.edu/2018/03/15/has-the-riaa-given-up-on-combating-end-user-internet-piracy/ https://jolt.richmond.edu/2018/03/15/has-the-riaa-given-up-o...
- gen220 5y ago
  They sue pirates where the LTV of the litigation is greater than the CAC. So, they tend to go after businesses with predictable and large incomes, that are dependent on music, to varying degrees, for generating that income. Peloton, for example, were sued into a royalty contract with the major labels [1]. It's a fun coincidence that their new CEO is the former Netflix and Spotify CFO. Spotify wasn't sued, because their predecessors were sued into a merger [2][3]. Instead, they acquiesced [4]. The LTV:CAC ratio on this customer was super high. [1]: https://exploration.io/exploration-weekly-peloton-and-nmpa-settle-copyright-infringement-dispute-2019-music-revenue-up-by-13-t-series-first-to-reach-100-billion-views/ https://exploration.io/exploration-weekly-peloton-and-nmpa-s... [2]: https://www.wired.com/2000/04/riaa-wins-suit-against-mp3-com/ https://www.wired.com/2000/04/riaa-wins-suit-against-mp3-com... [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMG_Recordings,_Inc._v._MP3.com,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMG_Recordings,_Inc._v._MP3.co.... [4]: https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/19/8621581/sony-music-spotify-contract https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/19/8621581/sony-music-spotif...
- bryans 5y ago
  In what universe are the "distributors and creators of pirated content" not pirates? You are being pedantic to an extreme, while still being entirely wrong in the process. This is the third time that you've responded to one of my comments with personal theories and ideologies, but with no apparent knowledge of the subject at hand, all in an attempt to "prove me wrong" about something that you can't actually articulate. You appear to desperately want to "win" an argument against me, and while maybe I should be flattered by that, I really just find it creepy and disturbing. Please stop.
  - skinnymuch 5y ago
    I don’t read usernames. Now I will. I guess I’ll have to ignore all your posts since you’re speaking emotionally. If I responded with disagreement that was likely coincidence seeing repeated arguments. Many people disagreed with you skimming the thread again. Seeing what I replied to from you. Your posts are fully personal ideologies. Your POV comes from you as one person and assume your pov is obviously correct. > are the "distributors and creators of pirated content" not pirates? You are being pedantic to an extreme, while still being entirely wrong in the process. I pointed all this out in my post. Your writing implied that. I specifically said there’s a way those words are thought of to the general person. You using it the way you did was deceptive and biased.

by bryans 5y ago

skinnymuch 5y ago

What do you mean by pirates? RIAA is suing the distributors and creators of pirated content. They are not suing individual pirates much at all. You said “to this day…left and right” which indicates your average person as that was the most know thing they were doing before in the 00s. That’s not true any more.[0] 0. https://jolt.richmond.edu/2018/03/15/has-the-riaa-given-up-on-combating-end-user-internet-piracy/ https://jolt.richmond.edu/2018/03/15/has-the-riaa-given-up-o...

gen220 5y ago
They sue pirates where the LTV of the litigation is greater than the CAC. So, they tend to go after businesses with predictable and large incomes, that are dependent on music, to varying degrees, for generating that income. Peloton, for example, were sued into a royalty contract with the major labels [1]. It's a fun coincidence that their new CEO is the former Netflix and Spotify CFO. Spotify wasn't sued, because their predecessors were sued into a merger [2][3]. Instead, they acquiesced [4]. The LTV:CAC ratio on this customer was super high. [1]: https://exploration.io/exploration-weekly-peloton-and-nmpa-settle-copyright-infringement-dispute-2019-music-revenue-up-by-13-t-series-first-to-reach-100-billion-views/ https://exploration.io/exploration-weekly-peloton-and-nmpa-s... [2]: https://www.wired.com/2000/04/riaa-wins-suit-against-mp3-com/ https://www.wired.com/2000/04/riaa-wins-suit-against-mp3-com... [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMG_Recordings,_Inc._v._MP3.com,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMG_Recordings,_Inc._v._MP3.co.... [4]: https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/19/8621581/sony-music-spotify-contract https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/19/8621581/sony-music-spotif...
bryans 5y ago
In what universe are the "distributors and creators of pirated content" not pirates? You are being pedantic to an extreme, while still being entirely wrong in the process. This is the third time that you've responded to one of my comments with personal theories and ideologies, but with no apparent knowledge of the subject at hand, all in an attempt to "prove me wrong" about something that you can't actually articulate. You appear to desperately want to "win" an argument against me, and while maybe I should be flattered by that, I really just find it creepy and disturbing. Please stop.
- skinnymuch 5y ago
  I don’t read usernames. Now I will. I guess I’ll have to ignore all your posts since you’re speaking emotionally. If I responded with disagreement that was likely coincidence seeing repeated arguments. Many people disagreed with you skimming the thread again. Seeing what I replied to from you. Your posts are fully personal ideologies. Your POV comes from you as one person and assume your pov is obviously correct. > are the "distributors and creators of pirated content" not pirates? You are being pedantic to an extreme, while still being entirely wrong in the process. I pointed all this out in my post. Your writing implied that. I specifically said there’s a way those words are thought of to the general person. You using it the way you did was deceptive and biased.