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Your comment has the implication (intended or unintended) that Ukraine was the instigator as far as ceasefire violations go. As far as I can tell, that's not tr

Your comment has the implication (intended or unintended) that Ukraine was the instigator as far as ceasefire violations go. As far as I can tell, that's not true. However, the real way to find out for sure would be to go through the OSCE SMM reports[1] about ceasefire violations and determine what percentage of them were likely from Ukranian-controlled territory versus separatist-controlled territory. [1] https://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/reports https://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/reports

deltarholamda 5y ago
Your comment has the implication (intended or unintended) that there are situations where civilian casualties are perfectly acceptable. My only real point was that who the Good Guys and who the Bad Guys are in Ukraine are predetermined by the set of assumptions you start with. Everybody who was paying attention isn't that surprised by the invasion. It's not even a puzzle as to why Russia would do it. They spelled it out quite clearly, and have been saying it for years. Which is why I find the media narrative annoying. It's an almost perfect example of gaslighting. The only response to Russia's complaints about NATO meddling in Ukraine being provocative is to make some kind of counter-offer to offset the provocation. To suggest that there wasn't any meddling, or that Russia just invaded out of the blue for no good reason other than sheer evilness, is either staggeringly wrong, or a deliberate lie.
- dwaltrip 5y ago
  Are you saying Russia is not a bad actor here? I'm not very convinced by your arguments.
  - burrows 5y ago
    Does “bad” have some technical definition here? Or are you just expressing dislike for the Russian regime and its actions?
  - deltarholamda 5y ago
    All I'm saying is that they have legitimate national concerns here. There are distinct parallels to the Soviets trying to put missiles in Cuba. I don't have to be a big fan of Putin to recognize this. Interestingly, at least I am making arguments. The media narrative of Putin simply being crazy is deeply unserious. But if Russia is the bad actor here for invading a neighboring country that was attacking ethnic Russians in their territory and was flirting with joining a specific international coalition that was anti-Russian, what does that make the United States with all of our foreign adventurism?

deltarholamda 5y ago

Your comment has the implication (intended or unintended) that there are situations where civilian casualties are perfectly acceptable. My only real point was that who the Good Guys and who the Bad Guys are in Ukraine are predetermined by the set of assumptions you start with. Everybody who was paying attention isn't that surprised by the invasion. It's not even a puzzle as to why Russia would do it. They spelled it out quite clearly, and have been saying it for years. Which is why I find the media narrative annoying. It's an almost perfect example of gaslighting. The only response to Russia's complaints about NATO meddling in Ukraine being provocative is to make some kind of counter-offer to offset the provocation. To suggest that there wasn't any meddling, or that Russia just invaded out of the blue for no good reason other than sheer evilness, is either staggeringly wrong, or a deliberate lie.

dwaltrip 5y ago
Are you saying Russia is not a bad actor here? I'm not very convinced by your arguments.
- burrows 5y ago
  Does “bad” have some technical definition here? Or are you just expressing dislike for the Russian regime and its actions?
- deltarholamda 5y ago
  All I'm saying is that they have legitimate national concerns here. There are distinct parallels to the Soviets trying to put missiles in Cuba. I don't have to be a big fan of Putin to recognize this. Interestingly, at least I am making arguments. The media narrative of Putin simply being crazy is deeply unserious. But if Russia is the bad actor here for invading a neighboring country that was attacking ethnic Russians in their territory and was flirting with joining a specific international coalition that was anti-Russian, what does that make the United States with all of our foreign adventurism?