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> Serious question: do you ask other vendors (Google, Amazon, Wapo, whoever) you use about HR and internal budgeting choices before deciding to do business with

by hk__2 5y ago

> Serious question: do you ask other vendors (Google, Amazon, Wapo, whoever) you use about HR and internal budgeting choices before deciding to do business with them? It’s a very common question when you give money to a non-profit, which Mozilla is.

dijonman2 5y ago
Mozilla Foundation is non profit. Mozilla corporation is for profit. Mitchell Baker owns it all and draws a salary from the corporation according to public records. Pretty sure the foundation owns the IP etc and the corp leases it, funneling money around. Statements are public.
- Nitramp 5y ago
  Mozilla corporation is fully owned by the foundation though.
- stingraycharles 5y ago
  While what you’re saying is factually correct, my biggest pet peeve is that Firefox is entirely owned and developed by the corporation. If I donate money to Mozilla, it ends up with the silly projects instead of the browser. To me, this is a problem, and while it’s documented somewhere, it’s not nearly communicated well enough on their website when you’re actually making a donation. As a matter of fact, it’s sometimes even downright misleading. As such, I don’t believe the corporate structure is a healthy one, and the organization(s) are not properly aligned in where the profit comes from, where they make the biggest impact in the world, and where the donations go to.
- dangoor 5y ago
  When you say "Mitchell Baker owns it all", you aren't claiming that Mitchell owns Mozilla Corp, are you? Mozilla Corp is owned by Mozilla Foundation, as described in the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation Most Mozilla employees draw their salary from Mozilla Corp.
  - dijonman2 5y ago
    Who owns the foundation?
    - dangoor 5y ago
      No one. It's a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization.
      - dijonman2 5y ago
        But she’s the chairwoman and has full control. I think we’re arguing semantics here. She controls everything. Including her own comp.
        dangoor 5y ago
        That's not how non-profits work. There's a board of directors: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/who-we-are/leadership/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/who-we-are/leadership/ If the board were to decide that Mitchell's time as leader was done, they could do so.
Vinnl 5y ago
And that question being common is exactly why many non-profits have focused on reducing "overhead", actually making the organisation less efficient, because having e.g. medical workers do their own administration doesn't get listed as overhead, whereas hiring a secretary does. With charities in general, it'd be better if people focused on results more, rather than on how resources are being allocated. Luckily, that idea has been gaining more and more traction, e.g. GiveWell.

by hk__2 5y ago

dijonman2 5y ago

Mozilla Foundation is non profit. Mozilla corporation is for profit. Mitchell Baker owns it all and draws a salary from the corporation according to public records. Pretty sure the foundation owns the IP etc and the corp leases it, funneling money around. Statements are public.

Nitramp 5y ago
Mozilla corporation is fully owned by the foundation though.
stingraycharles 5y ago
While what you’re saying is factually correct, my biggest pet peeve is that Firefox is entirely owned and developed by the corporation. If I donate money to Mozilla, it ends up with the silly projects instead of the browser. To me, this is a problem, and while it’s documented somewhere, it’s not nearly communicated well enough on their website when you’re actually making a donation. As a matter of fact, it’s sometimes even downright misleading. As such, I don’t believe the corporate structure is a healthy one, and the organization(s) are not properly aligned in where the profit comes from, where they make the biggest impact in the world, and where the donations go to.
dangoor 5y ago
When you say "Mitchell Baker owns it all", you aren't claiming that Mitchell owns Mozilla Corp, are you? Mozilla Corp is owned by Mozilla Foundation, as described in the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation Most Mozilla employees draw their salary from Mozilla Corp.
- dijonman2 5y ago
  Who owns the foundation?
  - dangoor 5y ago
    No one. It's a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization.
    - dijonman2 5y ago
      But she’s the chairwoman and has full control. I think we’re arguing semantics here. She controls everything. Including her own comp.
      - dangoor 5y ago
        That's not how non-profits work. There's a board of directors: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/who-we-are/leadership/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/who-we-are/leadership/ If the board were to decide that Mitchell's time as leader was done, they could do so.

Vinnl 5y ago

And that question being common is exactly why many non-profits have focused on reducing "overhead", actually making the organisation less efficient, because having e.g. medical workers do their own administration doesn't get listed as overhead, whereas hiring a secretary does. With charities in general, it'd be better if people focused on results more, rather than on how resources are being allocated. Luckily, that idea has been gaining more and more traction, e.g. GiveWell.