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This is really disappointing. I've always encouraged small non-commercial hobby projects to use GitLab. It just seemed like the right thing to do. If you're f

This is really disappointing. I've always encouraged small non-commercial hobby projects to use GitLab. It just seemed like the right thing to do. If you're familiar with Paradox Interactive Studios games (Crusader Kings, Hearts of Iron, Stellaris): - Star Trek: New Horizons (127,000 current subscribers) - SW:Fallen Republic (97,000 current subscribers) - Kaiserreich (774,000 current subscribers) are (/were) all hosted on GitLab. A lot of the people who contribute to these projects only do so intermittently (so high member count to work done ratio) and are usually doing this in their formative years so would be likely to continue to use GitLab when they enter the working world. There is absolutely no money available as game publishers prohibit it. And even if they tried to sneak in some Patreon donations there's no way that's going to cover $19/m/user! Honestly, GitLab really seems to be falling far behind in their outreach. Their Open source programme is behind GitHub's and they don't have anything for Non-profits.

rsstack 5y ago
> This change does not apply to our other plans: ... GitLab for Open Source Doesn't that solve the issue for those projects?
- Dayshine 5y ago
  Game mods often can't be open source as you don't have copyright on the original game files. Another problem is that game mods are often developed in private repos to prevent ideas and assets being "stolen" by other projects. There are no lawyers to protect your IP in the non-commercial world. It's taken decades for the commercial world to even vaguely become OK with source available, let alone open source, we can't really expect teenagers and young adults who weren't trained as software developers to be comfortable with it.
  - rsstack 5y ago
    Fair point. TIL :)
  - EMIRELADERO 5y ago
    > Game mods often can't be open source as you don't have copyright on the original game files. Don't most game mods simply patch the executable if there's no mod framework available? I would think that the patch engine and specific patches aren't violating the original game's copyright, simply because they wouldn't contain any of the game's assets or code (aside from maybe memory addresses and executable names for hooking)
    - Dayshine 5y ago
      There usually is a mod framework available, and in paradox games you often use the base game's script files as a starting point. The point is generally irrelevant though, as a condition of uploading a mod to Steam or the game's mod system will be to give unconditional usage rights to the publisher which is incompatible with FOSS.
      - kuang_eleven 5y ago
        In that licensing case, a mod project could dual-license with both a license that conforms to the requirements for mod distribution and an open-source license, although this would complicate the efforts of any derivative code who might want to distribute. That being said, mod authors seem weirdly defensive and secretive about their code and ideas; I think it would be a hard sell to get most of them to use an open-source license even if it were possible.

rsstack 5y ago

> This change does not apply to our other plans: ... GitLab for Open Source Doesn't that solve the issue for those projects?

Dayshine 5y ago
Game mods often can't be open source as you don't have copyright on the original game files. Another problem is that game mods are often developed in private repos to prevent ideas and assets being "stolen" by other projects. There are no lawyers to protect your IP in the non-commercial world. It's taken decades for the commercial world to even vaguely become OK with source available, let alone open source, we can't really expect teenagers and young adults who weren't trained as software developers to be comfortable with it.
- rsstack 5y ago
  Fair point. TIL :)
- EMIRELADERO 5y ago
  > Game mods often can't be open source as you don't have copyright on the original game files. Don't most game mods simply patch the executable if there's no mod framework available? I would think that the patch engine and specific patches aren't violating the original game's copyright, simply because they wouldn't contain any of the game's assets or code (aside from maybe memory addresses and executable names for hooking)
  - Dayshine 5y ago
    There usually is a mod framework available, and in paradox games you often use the base game's script files as a starting point. The point is generally irrelevant though, as a condition of uploading a mod to Steam or the game's mod system will be to give unconditional usage rights to the publisher which is incompatible with FOSS.
    - kuang_eleven 5y ago
      In that licensing case, a mod project could dual-license with both a license that conforms to the requirements for mod distribution and an open-source license, although this would complicate the efforts of any derivative code who might want to distribute. That being said, mod authors seem weirdly defensive and secretive about their code and ideas; I think it would be a hard sell to get most of them to use an open-source license even if it were possible.