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This reads to me like pure fiction. Maybe not far-fetched, but very little substantive info. Does anyone have a link to anything more in depth about either the

by yosito 5y ago

This reads to me like pure fiction. Maybe not far-fetched, but very little substantive info. Does anyone have a link to anything more in depth about either the strategy likely to be involved, the anticipated consequences, or the post-nuclear war world and how any surviving governments or local powers might act in the months and years after the fact?

zardo 5y ago
"A hypothetical scenario" is a fiction.
- ecf 5y ago
  Which then leads to the question, why is the wartime equivalent of anime fan-fiction appearing on HN?
  - yesenadam 5y ago
    The first section on this page applies to most "Why is X on HN?" questions: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Also, this section of "In comments", among others, applies to your comment: "Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it."
  - spuz 5y ago
    OP here. The reason I believe it is more interesting than fan-fiction is that it answers the question of "how could nuclear weapons be used in this conflict?". Since the day it started there have been various escalations [1][2][3] of threats of the use of nuclear weapons, but never an explanation of how we could get from where we are now to a point where they were actually used. My imagination failed me when I tried to think of any plausible scenario. This hypothetical scenario fills that gap for me and demonstrates how there need not necessarily even be any intent on either side to use these weapons. It's true that in order to also fill that gap in your mind it must be plausible to you too. I don't know if it helps to know this comes from an organisation of experts whose job it is to think about this kind of thing all the time. In any case, I think this kind of speculation is necessary in order for the news we have seen about nuclear threats to have any meaning. Otherwise, it's a bit like hearing that Russia would like to crash the moon into Europe. Ok perhaps, but how could that be done? This article attempts to give an answer. [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60547473 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60547473 [2] https://news.sky.com/story/russian-diplomat-if-nato-threatens-us-we-have-the-right-to-press-the-nuclear-button-12573773 https://news.sky.com/story/russian-diplomat-if-nato-threaten... [3] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/02/opinion/ukraine-putin-nuclear-war.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/02/opinion/ukraine-putin-nuc...
bartmika 5y ago
Honestly, this movie is the most realistic fictional depiction. It's time range is before, during and after: Threads (1984) via https://youtu.be/5Srqyd8B9gE https://youtu.be/5Srqyd8B9gE And if you want to know how the world would like after the movie Threads, read the following book: A Canticle for Leibowitz (1959) via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Canticle_for_Leibowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Canticle_for_Leibowitz
- yesenadam 5y ago
  > Threads (1984) via https://youtu.be/5Srqyd8B9gE https://youtu.be/5Srqyd8B9gE Video unavailable (in Australia at least)

by yosito 5y ago

zardo 5y ago

"A hypothetical scenario" is a fiction.

ecf 5y ago
Which then leads to the question, why is the wartime equivalent of anime fan-fiction appearing on HN?
- yesenadam 5y ago
  The first section on this page applies to most "Why is X on HN?" questions: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Also, this section of "In comments", among others, applies to your comment: "Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it."
- spuz 5y ago
  OP here. The reason I believe it is more interesting than fan-fiction is that it answers the question of "how could nuclear weapons be used in this conflict?". Since the day it started there have been various escalations [1][2][3] of threats of the use of nuclear weapons, but never an explanation of how we could get from where we are now to a point where they were actually used. My imagination failed me when I tried to think of any plausible scenario. This hypothetical scenario fills that gap for me and demonstrates how there need not necessarily even be any intent on either side to use these weapons. It's true that in order to also fill that gap in your mind it must be plausible to you too. I don't know if it helps to know this comes from an organisation of experts whose job it is to think about this kind of thing all the time. In any case, I think this kind of speculation is necessary in order for the news we have seen about nuclear threats to have any meaning. Otherwise, it's a bit like hearing that Russia would like to crash the moon into Europe. Ok perhaps, but how could that be done? This article attempts to give an answer. [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60547473 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60547473 [2] https://news.sky.com/story/russian-diplomat-if-nato-threatens-us-we-have-the-right-to-press-the-nuclear-button-12573773 https://news.sky.com/story/russian-diplomat-if-nato-threaten... [3] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/02/opinion/ukraine-putin-nuclear-war.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/02/opinion/ukraine-putin-nuc...

bartmika 5y ago

Honestly, this movie is the most realistic fictional depiction. It's time range is before, during and after: Threads (1984) via https://youtu.be/5Srqyd8B9gE https://youtu.be/5Srqyd8B9gE And if you want to know how the world would like after the movie Threads, read the following book: A Canticle for Leibowitz (1959) via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Canticle_for_Leibowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Canticle_for_Leibowitz

yesenadam 5y ago
> Threads (1984) via https://youtu.be/5Srqyd8B9gE https://youtu.be/5Srqyd8B9gE Video unavailable (in Australia at least)